I respectfully disagree, Jim.
While I'm confident that John's installers are competent and will do a
good job, I have to observe that unless John's company did the original
install, they're putting their liability at serious risk for work which
they have no control over.
It all comes down to how much risk is Living Water willing to accept for
the work performed by some unknown entity on some unknown date, possibly
uninspected or untested. We could spend hours telling war stories over
disastrous experiences trusting someone else's work.
That's a risk I'm not readily willing to accept.
sincerely,
*Ken Wagoner, SET
*Parsley Consulting*
*350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206
*Escondido, California 92025
*****Phone 760-745-6181*
Visit the website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> *****
**
On 8/19/2020 10:01 AM, tfscolorado via Sprinklerforum wrote:
John, you have probably spent more time and effort fighting this issue versus
just doing a test. 200 add and relocates is a lot and I would think you should
put a test on it even if it is not code required (which I believe it is) for
your benefit and warranty. If your guys did a good job, a 200 # test should
not be a big deal. As they say choose you battles wisely.Jim AdamsSent from my
Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: John Irwin via Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Date: 8/19/20 7:11 AM (GMT-07:00) To:
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org, Mark Phillips <philli...@pyebarkerfire.com> Cc: John Irwin <jir...@quickresponsefl.com> Subject: Re: Testing of
existing systems I included this reference in my response. From 4 different editions of 13. As well as a half dozen informal interpretations from AFSA and
explanatory comments from the handbook.John IrwinWest Coast Branch ManagerQuick Response Fire Protection727-282-9243Typed on tiny keys, just for you. Please
forgive spelling errors, typographical transgressions and grammatical gaffs.________________________________From: Mark Phillips
<philli...@pyebarkerfire.com>Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:07:24 AMTo: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
<sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>Cc: John Irwin <jir...@quickresponsefl.com>Subject: RE: Testing of existing systemsI would be arguing the point
of 25.2.1.4.2 of NFPA 13 2016How are you isolating relocated drops?Mark PhillipsBranch ManagerFire Sprinkler Design, Install, InspectionsService, Backflows, Fire
Alarm Inspections832-101 Purser DriveRaleigh NC 27603Phone: 919-779-4010Fax : 919-779-4014Cell : 919-268-7587Email : PhillipsM@pyebarkerfire.comWeb :
www.pyebarkerfire.com<http://www.pyebarkerfire.com>-----Original Message-----From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On
Behalf Of John Irwin via SprinklerforumSent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 6:16 PMTo: Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.orgCc: John Irwin
<jir...@quickresponsefl.com>Subject: RE: Testing of existing systems[EXTERNAL]Nobody has an informal code interpretation on this? I don't believe we're all
just putting 200 psi on other people's pipe. Anything saved from AFSA, NFSA or NFPA would be great. ThanksJohn IrwinQuick Response Fire Protection"The
bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." - Benjamin FranklinFrom: John IrwinSent: Monday, August 17, 2020 3:52
PMTo: Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.orgSubject: Testing of existing systemsNFPA 13 2013 25.2.1.6 or NFPA 13 2016 25.2.1.4We're doing a 200+ sprinkler add and
relocate and the new fire marshal has decided that 200 sprinkler relocates is a lot and that I should put 200 psi on the existing piping. So we're playing the game
of escalation and code interpretation.Does anyone have a code interpretation from AFSA, NFSA or NFPA on this? Her stance is that the code says "such as
relocated drops" and I may have added a few drops.I am sure we have all come across this right?John IrwinQuick Response Fire Protection"The bitterness of
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