Welcome to my world. I found this to be more of a Building Code requirement than a standard requirement but often Engineers/Designers have no real world idea of just how big the stuff is and even how much room one needs to safely service and maintain this equipment. Even the contractor's shop drawing designers and installers have no thought for the service guy who's going to be in there until kingdom comes after they've spent a week there. I've got 2 70's Patterson's with GM diesels coming up around Thanksgiving I have to move the battery rack and test header because they put them right in the f&^%ing middle of the room and right in the way, then the bypass because it's 6" above the air release. In 50 years nobody said or did anything.. Stepping off.
-----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 10:53 AM To: [email protected] Cc: John Denhardt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Clearance around all pump equipment Others have stated the requirements. I have seen many installations where there was room and the installer did not take advantage of it. Adequate and reasonable space must be maintained to properly inspect, service, repair, and replace all equipment. I always ask, how would I work on this equipment, Thanks, John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association* m: p: 301-343-1457 214-349-5965 ext 121 w: firesprinkler.org <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/> <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* *Don’t miss another issue!* Sign up to get your exclusive copy of the industry’s leading membership magazine *Sprinkler* *Age* delivered straight to your mailbox, inbox, or both! Subscribe <https://sprinklerage.com/subscribe/> now to get the latest information you need to know and never miss another issue. On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 2:29 PM Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > Pretty much, Ben. > > > Ron Greenman > > [email protected] > > 253.576.9700 > > The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. > -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera > director (1942-) > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:56 AM Ben Young via Sprinklerforum < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > If you have a backflow in the pump room the local water authority > > may require a set clearance for testing. 3 feet around everything > > seems a little extreme but it's not like clearance is a bad thing. > > Does that mean you can't have system risers closer than say 4 feet on > > center too? > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 7:48 PM Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In one local jurisdiction here there is a requirement for three > > > feet > all > > > around major equipment, font, sides, and back. It would good if > > > they > > would > > > inform the architects that continue to provide smaller and smaller > > > pump > > and > > > riser rooms. > > > > > > > > > Ron Greenman > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > 253.576.9700 > > > > > > The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. > > > -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and > > > opera director (1942-) > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:12 PM Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo via > > > Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Travis, > > > > > > > > NFPA 20 only requires that the room be sized "to fit" with > > > > clearance > > for > > > > access. While that clearance is required, there is no set > > > > amount of clearance defined. > > > > > > > > From the 2019 edition: > > > > "4.14.1.1.7 The pump room or pump house shall be sized to fit > > > > all of > > the > > > > components necessary for the operation of the fire pump and to > > > > accommodate the following: > > > > (1) Clearance between components for installation and > > > > maintenance > > > > (2) Clearance between a component and the wall for installation > > > > and maintenance > > > > (3) Clearance between energized electrical equipment and other > > > > equipment in accordance with NFPA 70 (this one has requirements > > > that > > > > you've already met.) > > > > (4) Orientation of the pump to the suction piping to allow > > > > compliance with 4.16.6.3 (this would be the '10 pipe diameter rule' > for > > > > certain suction piping.) > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't have any other substantiation for ya. > > > > > > > > It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member > > > > of > the > > > > NFPA, and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in > > accordance > > > > with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects and > > > > should > > > therefore > > > > not be considered, nor relied upon, as the official position of > > > > the > > NFPA, > > > > nor any of their technical committees. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cecil Bilbo > > > > Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology Champaign, IL > > > > 217.607.0325 > > > > www.sprinkleracademy.com<http://www.sprinkleracademy.com> > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > OUR STUDENTS SAVE LIVES!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > > > > <[email protected] > > > > on > > > > behalf of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:38 PM > > > > To: [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Clearance around all pump equipment > > > > > > > > Is there anything in any fire code or standard that requires a 3' > > > > clearance around ALL pump room equipment. We are maintaining 3' > clear > > of > > > > controllers. It is being brought up he wants 3' clear of everything. > > We > > > > asked for a reference. The response was "in the book." > > > > > > > > Any help or guidance? > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET Engineering Manager MFP > > > > Design > > > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > > > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > > > > NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471 > > > > [email protected] > > > > www.mfpdesign.com<http://www.mfpdesign.com> > > > > > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > > > > > > > > “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness > > > > of > low > > > > price is forgotten.” > > > > > > > > Need/Want a faster way to check material pricing? Build a material > > > > quote? Check availability ? 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