I concur. RVs represent a concealed hazard, boats not so much unless they are larger with cabins. Then consider the proximity of one unit to another. Any fire is going to involve several units. Even EH2 would probably be like spitting on a forest fire.
Building height also plays a role. The other questions, are there any smoke/heat vents in the building? What kind of square footage of space is available for RV storage? What's the local water supply like? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | [email protected] | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Paulsen via Sprinklerforum Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 5:12 PM To: [email protected] Cc: John Paulsen <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: RV Storage Guys, If you don't own a boat or RV, it's hard to imagine the fire load these units can represent. Campers especially pose the situation of an internal fire becoming well developed before it breaks through the roof and the sprinklers get a chance to attack it. Oh, and don't forget to add in the explosion hazard of the propane tanks most campers have. Runabouts, waverunners and cruisers all have the potential to have large amount of plastics, gasoline and lubricants on board. I've personally stored boats for the winter inside a building with 80 gallons of 100 octane gas in the tank and there were 30 other boats of various sizes right next to mine with the same or greater fuel capacity. Some storage venues ask that you drain your tanks before you bring it in, but I have never seen anyone check for compliance. Some of the recent marina fires that have occurred in Alabama and Michigan show how devastating a fire can be in situations with multiple boats and RV's stored under the same roof. EH II at a minimum gives the best chance of saving at least part of the building and a high K factor CMHD or ESFR head would not be out of the question. MHO, John Paulsen – SET Sprinkler System Design & Sales Silco Fire and Security 2345 Southwest Blvd. Grove City, OH 43123 P-614-449-2101 Ext. 3367 F-614-449-2007 C-614-348-8206 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:48 PM To: [email protected] Cc: John Denhardt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: RV Storage My suggestions: - RV Storage Building* - Extra Hazard Group 2* - Boat Storage Building (just parked, not on racks) *- Extra Hazard Group 2* - Storage lockers with height less than 12 feet *- Depends on what is being stored. For example, Group A plastics might be more demanding. Follow miscellaneous storage chart in NFPA 13.* Hope this helps *The above is my personal opinion as a professional engineer. 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