Appreciate that John. I don't see that information in the original post. Sorry I missed the key information and I wouldn't have been a smart*** if I read it correctly and thoroughly. I write, and am governed by, state law as well as professional engineer rules and ethics and sprinkler contractor rules. Electric and gas-powered vehicles start on fire and if that happens under any canopy building structural integrity and firefighting operations can be compromised. Best Regards,
Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: John Irwin <jir...@quickresponsefl.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2021 1:12 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> Cc: Aaron Peck <ap...@quickresponsefl.com>; Andrew Baldwin <abald...@quickresponsefl.com>; Roberto Alvarez <ralva...@quickresponsefl.com> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking Scott, I can appreciate all of that, but Florida has a state fire code. And we as life safety professionals (contractors or AHJs) don't get to debate and write code for each job. We're talking about a regular old covered drive through. Not a dock meant for loading. It's a porte cochere. And parking is temporary. John Irwin Director Of Construction Quick Response Fire Protection 727-282-9243 Typed on tiny keys, just for you. Please forgive spelling errors, typographical transgressions and grammatical gaffs. ________________________________ From: Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com<mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 2:04:31 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Cc: John Irwin <jir...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:jir...@quickresponsefl.com>>; Aaron Peck <ap...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:ap...@quickresponsefl.com>>; Andrew Baldwin <abald...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:abald...@quickresponsefl.com>>; Roberto Alvarez <ralva...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:ralva...@quickresponsefl.com>> Subject: RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking I can't wait to hear what John and Kevin have to say. It seems that if the sprinkler system understands the vehicle parked under the canopy is only there temporarily then it isn't a problem. However, if the sprinkler system doesn't understand the vehicle is parked temporarily and a fire starts (that can and does happen), that can spread to the building (which can and does happen), then the sprinkler system has to know how to control that fire, right? There could certainly be variables 1 - structure construction; 2 - use for autos and people only; 3) deliveries with small vehicles only; 4) deliveries with large vehicles; 5) deliveries with tractor trailers; 6) size of canopy, so, each situation should be evaluated separately. Is this any different then a loading dock? The dock (inside or out) doesn't always have a fuel load, but if the fire starts when there are pallets of combustibles on the dock how should it be protected? Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of John Irwin via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2021 12:26 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: John Irwin <jir...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:jir...@quickresponsefl.com>>; Aaron Peck <ap...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:ap...@quickresponsefl.com>>; Andrew Baldwin <abald...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:abald...@quickresponsefl.com>>; Roberto Alvarez <ralva...@quickresponsefl.com<mailto:ralva...@quickresponsefl.com>> Subject: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking So I'm going 12 rounds with a local fire marshal who wants to define what temporary parking means, under a drive through canopy. His logic is that he doesn't know how long a vehicle will be parked. His exact concerns are as follows: "Our answer was yes do to deliveries made and not knowing how long that vehicle would be sitting in that area... delivery vehicles would be sitting long periods of time and the code does not provide a time table for temporary parking. It is my opinion that temporary parking would be of a taxi/lift or other type drop off service and not delivery vehicles or any other type of parking. This was explained to you and your staff. How are you going to enforce temporary parking? What is the time frame for temporary parking?" I have not been able to find an unofficial code interpretation for this. I believe he's incorporating too many "what if" scenarios. I was going to respond what if a truck full of fireworks parks here? Should we protect for extra hazard then? Anyone have anything to help me convince him he's wrong? Should I pursue an interpretation from AFSA or NFPA? 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