I agree with Bob's proposed change and FWIW, the state of Minnesota agrees...
2020 MN Building Code 903.3.1.6.3 Swimming pools. Sprinkler protection need not be provided on the ceiling of rooms containing swimming pools when the pool area is used exclusively for swimming purposes and when sprinklers are provided around the perimeter of the pool area. Reed A. Roisum, SET | KFI Engineers | Fire Protection Project Manager | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9903 | mobile: 701.388.1352 | KFIengineers.com <www.kfiengineers.com> -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 6:48 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Bob Caputo <[email protected]>; Tony Silva <[email protected]> Subject: RE: swimming pool For what its worth, in the 2013 code cycle of NFPA 13, I submitted two proposed changes related to this topic. The first was to eliminate sprinklers directly above the water where indoor swimming pools were present. This was rejected by the committee with the statement that indoor pools are not always in service and when drained, could be used for storage - so sprinklers are required above the pool. The second proposal was to eliminate sprinklers in gymnasium locker room shower areas where non-combustible tiles covered the entire floor, walls and ceilings. This was also rejected by the committee with the statement that gym mats and similar combustibles could be stored in these areas. Additional discussion related to swimming pools expressed concerns for combustible play toys and equipment often found in swimming pools. Yes, I did argue that changes of occupancy or use are addressed by NFPA 25 and addressed the corrosive nature of the environment on the sprinklers, but the committee rejected the proposal to omit sprinklers above the indoor pool. Bob Caputo, CFPS President American Fire Sprinkler Association Expand your business with ITM. Professionalize the role of your inspection team with AFSA’s comprehensive 20-month ITM Inspector Development program that provides a blended learning environment teamed with robust curriculum created by top industry leaders. Now enrolling for Spring 2022! -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tony Silva via Sprinklerforum Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 10:06 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Tony Silva <[email protected]> Subject: Re: swimming pool Thanks for the responses. I'm trying to find out the industry practice. Which do you see more? Sprinklers below the water slides or none taking into account the fire load and possible vandalism? Tony On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:31 PM AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > That is the preferred way to set the AHJ agreement, in distributed > meeting minutes of course, because the other way it may be set, > “provide NFPA 13 coverage for the deck area only”, means some > sprinklers have to be installed beyond the pool edge to satisfy the > application density transition boundary rules. That’s why it is best > to be present at that first AHJ meeting, not just the Architect like > some Architects like to do. > The AHJs appreciate being in on the design from inception when dealing > with odd situations. > > > > > I have seen a pool where it was the AHJ that specifically required > > NO > heads anywhere over a pool because they are impossible to maintain. > (municipal facility) > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
