Hi Brett, We have a similar note on our proposal, but this is a fire station with the town and they don’t acknowledge exclusions or exceptions with this type of bid.
We did contemplate submitting the engineers layout to the fire marshal and have them kick it back due to lack of safety margin… we might still go this route. Thank you for your help! Steven From: Brett Peters <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:24 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: plans and specifications vs design build We always put a note in our quotes that our pricing is based on an adequate water supply, if the water supply won't support the pipe sizing the engineer put on the tender drawings then ask for a change to contract based on the water supply from the water purveyor being inadequate to support tender documents. Mechanical engineers never like being told they are wrong, have to be creative and give the mechanical engineer an out, so it's not their fault, better chance of getting that change order. Thanks Brett Peters General Manager Installation & Design Proudline Fire Protection Services Ltd. [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 780 490 7602 office ext 202 780 490 7605 fax 780 777 0568 cell 780 718 2676 24h Visit us at www.proudline.ca<http://www.proudline.ca/> Proudline now offers ULc listed monitoring services, please contact [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> for more information [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wRo6r0eNDUWx8YR-4XJLvwcnouQn_xEZH_HIb4jDbepWtON2RWC-ekzvZHKtncFOQqPcNQfzM] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yJVI287VPLDWiW9maE2Np3U4CdszCY9deeyaLl8DM90wlBd7pnuOZV9U-swv-7gWN_24py6vo] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wlGmqj6Ja06DKOIMLPvEE8B2W8fT_TPPA3w-4JfqygLq9n77ECSni09YLIVICXJYzWo4Z0PjU] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zEgPbs279KVEfWIpIiWNLel8zAlcloW9dNXGLTaE1cMz88CRkmg17fju5BQB_iIzhWK20DUL8] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4z7J0kfmSGA8jKvDK0pTqW3KQlc5v-tYcWosmy5W7pdok462Gzu_9Ft7UK9oJUWDT1DzhQ4hUU] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wTVHoTZxkppBoWSCTFnGLgGTq0apivi8sNvWPyBsloO0mmy8ZYu4Ax854jo7ihTMFyeYeOceg] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4xwBWEOX5v9mpza4Jqf9lOKSwThBNvyIO7Rl-Cxo7NRiV7p70C0f1biwbh44Y-iIA5GcmD1MCo] [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yPfO1HdtbQPYiKlYE38cwc88ABhX7xN1nh0fCK5LjFXjKplJggk3Xn6_XypmtMWyADKR7ZRGk] On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 8:39 AM Steve Mackinnon <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Good morning everyone, There is a project that was put out for bid as a “plans and specifications”, showing approximate locations of heads, pipe sizes, etc… We were awarded the project and found out the engineer who laid out the bid set did not adequality size the sprinkler pipe for the water supply. The hydraulic calculations will not support the pipe sizing noted on the bid plan. Now we are trying to get an extra for the additional material and upcharge for larger pipe. The engineer has rejected our extra and stated we are responsible for providing a “Code complaint” system, and has gone as far as to show us a note on the bid plan stating such. We feel this is wrong and it shouldn’t be the installing contractor responsibility to pre-calculate or redesign “plans and specifications” during the bidding process. But I can’t find anything that backs us up in our argument. Does anyone have experience with this situation? Thank you in advance. Steven MacKinnon _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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