Thanks. Yes I see now that sprinklers would definitely be required if the tenant has access to the attic.
Follow up- You can't just install a wet pipe system up there if you add heaters to the attic can you? NFPA 13R has special requirements (from what I understand) for sprinklers in attic where it's not as simple as wet pipe with space heaters. Let me know if you agree that's the case. Thank you On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:09 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > I suggest a careful reading of 6.6.6 in 13R. > > > > While a 13D system ignores storage in attics, 13R does not allow the same > considerations. > > > > Appropriately, I think Todd means, if the area becomes a “Story” or not as > defined in IBC. > > > > Then it would be treated like a dwelling unit. > > > > Otherwise, you are running into an area outside the dwelling unit and get > kicked back to 13 for Design. > > > > My observation on limited data. > > > > R/ > > Matt > > > > > > > > *Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP, C.E.T.* > > *Ferguson Fire Design, LLC* > > D: (602) 337-0721 <http://(602)%20337-0721> C: (307) 236-8249 > <http://(307)%20236-8249> > > [email protected] > > > > *From:* Dapr Jones <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 28, 2024 8:52 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: NFPA 13R - Multifamily with attic access > > > > *Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT > click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender. * > ------------------------------ > > Thanks Todd, much appreciated. Yes, it would still be 13R I agree. > > When you say " it would need to be appropriately protected" do you mean > the attic would need to be sprinklered? > > > > It would become accessible to the tenant and they would likely use it for > storage. Does 13R allow omission of sprinklers only for attics not used > for storage? > > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 1:42 PM Fpdcdesign <[email protected]> wrote: > > As far as access, attic access could be allowed unless prohibited by > Building Code or other restriction (ie zoning approval). > > > > However, since it is accessible for living space or storage, it would need > to be appropriately protected. Even then, it could be considered 4 stories > instead of 3 and it would still be 13R. > > > > Todd Williams > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > Stonington, CT > > 860-608-4559 > > > > > On Jul 28, 2024 at 1:31 PM, <Dapr Jones <[email protected]>> wrote: > > I'm working on a project that is 3 stories with attic, multifamily > residential, type VA construction. > > We designed the system to NFPA 13R, with no sprinklers in the attic. > Now the architect wants to add access to the attic for the 3'rd floor > tenant. > (note, there's only one tenant on the 3rd fl. of this building) > > My question is, can the architect actually allow access to the attic for a > tenant in a multifamily as far as the building or fire codes are concerned? > If yes, would sprinklers be required in the attic in this case? > (considering tenant will likely use it as storage) > > Thanks > > > > _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum > mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > > > _________________________________________________________ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > > > _________________________________________________________ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] >
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