Not sure, but maybe check out NFPA 13 2022 25.1.4..2 – In-Rack Sprinkler System Control Valves.
Thanks, Gregg Fontes Lead Estimator O: 209-334-9119 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [image001.jpg] This and any attached documents are for the use of the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or work product that may be exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication and any attachments is strictly prohibited, and you are hereby requested to delete this message and any attached documents, to destroy any printed copies, and to telephone or otherwise contact the sender immediately about the error From: Brett Peters <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 6:36 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: In-Rack system connected to an adjacent system 25.1.3.2* In-Rack Sprinkler System Control Valves. A.25.1.3.2 In-rack sprinklers and ceiling sprinklers selected for protection should be controlled by at least two separate indicating valves and drains. In higher rack arrangements, consideration should be given to providing more than one in-rack control valve to limit the extent of any single impairment. The control valves addressed in 25.1.3.2 are intended to allow isolation of the in-rack system from the ceiling system, as indicated in Exhibit 25.1. In-rack sprinklers are susceptible to damage due to their location. Control valves are required to allow the ceiling system to remain in service while an in-rack sprinkler is replaced. Additionally, when the ceiling system is out of service, the valves are to be arranged so that the in-rack system remains operational. 25.1.3.2.1 Unless the requirements of 25.1.3.2.2 or 25.1.3.2.3 are met, separate indicating control valves and drains shall be provided and arranged so that ceiling and in-rack sprinkler systems can be controlled independently. Sprinklers and sprinkler piping installed in pallet racks are more likely to experience damage from forklifts or other material-handling equipment. Providing a separate control valve allows the piping to be shut down quickly without impairing ceiling-level protection for the entire area of the building. I will be away from the office on Friday August 16th and will have limited access to phone and email. Thanks Brett Peters General Manager Installation & Design Proudline Fire Protection Services Ltd. 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As long as you include, and balance, the additional demand in your calculations, it is my opinion that you should be fine. I recall back in the day we used to do this. I looked in NFPA 13 (2007) Section 22.8 and found the following: 22.8 In-Rack Sprinklers. 22.8.1 Pipes to in-rack sprinklers shall be sized by hydraulic calculations. 22.8.2 Water demand of sprinklers installed in racks shall be added to ceiling sprinkler water demand over the same protected area at the point of connection. 22.8.3 The demand shall be balanced to the higher pressure. 22.8.4 Water demand of sprinklers installed in racks or water curtains shall be added to the ceiling sprinkler water demand at the point of connection. Demands shall be balanced to the higher pressure. (See Chapter 8.) I believe the reference to Chapter 8 was incorrect and should have instead been to Chapter 11. Hope this helps, Ryan L. Hinson, PE*, SET** \ Burns & McDonnell Associate Fire Protection Engineer \ Upper Midwest Region O 612-900-3755 \ M 763-688-4045 \ F 952-229-2923 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> \ burnsmcd.com<http://www.burnsmcd.com/> 8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 500 \ Bloomington, MN 55437 *Registered in: AK, LA, MD, MN, PA, TX, & UT **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout From: James Crawford <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 5:26 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] In-Rack system connected to an adjacent system A question has been asked in our office regarding connecting an in-rack system into an adjacent roof system. It is in a multi-tenant building that has multiple roof zones, the system only has 11 heads but does not work when connected into the roof system in that tenant space. Option is to run 500 feet back to the valve room or connect into an adjacent roof system. We can not find anything that says you can’t but cannot find anything that says you can. My concern would be monitoring of the zones, so you would have multiple zones going off if there was a fire. Comments: Thank You James Crawford Phaser Fire Protection Ltd. Phone 604-888-0318 Cel: 604-790-0938 Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Web: www.phaserfire.ca<http://www.phaserfire.ca/> _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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