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A newsletter dealing with codes and other technical issues

July 6, 2012
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C Value of Galvanized Pipe

"I recently designed a dry pipe sprinkler system. For the calculation I used 
galvanized
piping throughout the system using C =120 as per the NFPA 13 standard. The 
mechanical
engineer refused to allow the C =120 and would only accept C =100. When 
questioned
about the matter he stated that he attended a seminar where it was indicated 
that
the C =120 value for galvanized pipe is the most irresponsible value in the 
whole
NFPA standard and that C =100 should only be used. I reinforced that our NFPA13 
standards is the criteria, which we value and design by. I lost the battle and 
was
required to re-do our calculations based on C =100 value. I have been in design 
for 52 years and have never come against such a comment. Have you heard of such 
a statement and could you enlighten me?"

We have reviewed NFPA 13, 2010 edition that you indicated as the applicable 
standard.
Our informal interpretation is that the C Value for Galvanized (all) is 120 when
 used for Hazen-Williams calculations.

The C values are located in Table 22.4.4.7. Unless there is a written amendment 
to the standard approved by the governmental body in that jurisdiction, the C 
value
is 120. With that said, there was a proposal for the 2013 edition of NFPA (that 
is not in effect yet) that addresses this issue in 13-490 and comment 13-315 Log
 #141 with a Final Action of Accept in Principle. The proposal removes 
"Galvanized
(all) 120" from Table 22.4.4.7. It added a new row "Galvanized (dry systems 
including
preaction) 100" and another row "Galvanized (wet systems include deluge) 120". 
The
committee statement indicated that the TC feels that the corrosion issue is 
pervasive
such that it impacts the hydraulic calculations, not simply the pipe integrity. 
Internal pipe inspections have revealed that dry galvanized systems have the 
same
level of corrosion as black steel. A comment was also made on this proposal in 
13-491
Log #CP316 that added the word "steel" after Galvanized as an editorial revision
 with a committee meeting action of Accept. Usually, using new requirements not 
yet in effect will be subject to the approval of the AHJ. Although the use of 
the
C Value of 100 is more conservative, the methodology used by the mechanical 
engineer
to force one to meet this requirement is questionable unless they are the 
engineers
of record and specified the modified C value.
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Technical Update is prepared by the Technical Services Dept. of the AFSA: Vice 
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