Ed,

Sorry if I confused you, a "Write" lock is really an EXCLUSIVE lock per sqlite 
documentation. I used the two interchangeably, pardon my error.

A begin exclusive indicates the beginning of a transaction, It escalates the 
database lock to an EXCLUSIVE lock. The begin transaction does not immediately 
do this, rather it waits until the buffer cache spills to disk. At this point 
it attempts to escalate the Reserved lock to a Pending then an Exclusive  lock. 

There is only 1 type of EXCLUSIVE (write) lock,  It is database wide and is all 
or nothing.  Once you have the lock, it prevents other access to the DB.

Ken


Ed Pasma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The ticket has already been resolved, I 
see. So it has been  
considered a bug. In my earlier reply I tried to defend the current  
behavour to be in line with the document, http://sqlite.org/ 
sharedcache.html. I'm happy to change my mind now. Only I miss  
something in the model as described in the document. This may either be:
- exclusive transactions as a new kind of transactions, apart form  
read- and write-transactions
or
- database-level locking as a new level above transaction-level locking.
May be this suggestion is too naive, anyway it helps me explain the  
wonderful cache sharing.

Ken wrote:

> Ed,
>
> Dan opened a ticket. I agree the documentation isn't clear on the  
> Exlusive locking state.
>
> Not really sure, if this is by design or a bug at this stage. I do  
> think its a great feature of the Shared cache mode to allow table  
> level locking. But I'm curious with this table level locking what  
> would happen if two threads performed writes to two seperate tables  
> concurrently using only a begin immediate.
>
> Thread a writes to tab1,
> Thread b writes to tab2,  (Is this allowed ? or is a sqlite_locked  
> kicked returned?)
>
> If it is allowed then would there be two journal files concurrently  
> existing? And What happens during a crash with two journals ?
>
> This gets complicated very quickly.
>
> Ken
>
> Ed Pasma  wrote: Hello,`
> Empirically I found that it is exactly true.
> Must admit I'm confused but may it is in line with the Shared-Cache
> locking model.
> This does not mention the EXCLUSIVE locking state.
> The most 'secure' locking state it mentions is a write-transaction
> and this can coexist with read-transactions from others.
> Thus "begin exclusive" starts a write-transaction and the on-going
> read does not interfere.
> The error message seems to clarify the situation further: database
> table is locked.  Thus the collision occurs at the table-level. And
> yes, taking different tables for read and write, it does not occur.
> Practically this may not help very much. But may be the following
> does in case you have a busy_timeout setting.
> When having Shared-Cache mode enabled, the timeout setting appears to
> be ignored by SQLite. This makes locking situations surface rather
> soon, also when there is no dead-lock.
> The situation may be handled by a programmatic retry?
> Regards, Ed
>
> Op 19-dec-2007, om 19:12 heeft Ken het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Some additional info:
>>
>>     when the sqlite_lock is returned there is another thread that
>> appears to be reading the same table. Does the sqlite3 step return
>> sqlite_locked in this case?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> Ken  wrote:
>> While using the new 3.5.4 sqlite3_enable_shared_cache I ran into a
>> strange lock situation.
>>
>>       SQLITE_LOCK is returned from an insert statement, even though
>> the thread/connection performed a successful "begin exclusive"
>> transaction.
>>
>>        begin exclusive
>>         insert into table...   ---> returns SQLITE_LOCKED
>>
>> Is it possible for both connections to begin exclusive transactions
>> whilst having the shared cache anabled?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ken
>>
>>
>
>
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