>> I'm pleased to announce the release of
>
>>                    ==> SquirrelMail (SM) patch forum <==
>
> Hrm... Asking the admins if you could spam the list with this might
> have been a good idea.  This comes across as being something official
> from the SM team, which it is not, and not supported by us at all.
>
Contacting admins is very difficult. I tried it out and got no response at all.

If you feel my posting were not acceptable (or an offense against the SM
team), take your power as admin and block my email in all mailing lists.
Blaming me for spamming is somewhat rude.

>> - Tiered of waiting for bug fixes for SM or plugins?
>
> Bugs are fixed in SM, we have a bug tracker.  While I know we don't
> always update the tickets, bugs are fixed all the time.  Watch the CVS
> lists.
>
Bug tracker for plugins is not maintained "very well". I'd had discussion on
mailing list about bugs in plugins for over a year - nothing happened. Then I
tried to post them (including a solution proposal) on bug tracker and...
nothing happend. Okok, you may argue 3 month on bug tracker is not a long
time, but for me as an user who has to work with buggy code for over a year it
IS quite a long time...

> [..]
>
> Coding guidelines are there to make life easier for everybody.
> They're not that difficult to follow along with, so I'm not sure I'd
> agree with this being a "good thing".
>
I strongly agree, but at the end of the day, I need a working SM (plugin). If
developer and maintainer have no time left to apply bug fixes (or enhance
functionality)...

If you take a closer look at the official provided plugins, you'll see, they
does not follow the coding guidelines as well. Plugins writing code which does
not follow HTML coding restrictions, not supporting international language
support and breaking up SM's concept of themes is not an exception - I found
bugs in nearly every plugin provied and following the "official coding
guidelines" by SM team.

Start there and clean up the plugins officially provided, before
fingerpointing at me. If the plugin code would work, there is no need for
sites like Squirrelmail Patch Forum.

At the end the status on squirrelmail.org is: we have an very good and stable
SM and a couple of plugins not working out of the box or having problems in
interaction with each other.

>> SquirrelMail patch forum is located at http://www.qv90.de?sqm
>
> [..]
>
> As for your comment about people cutting down on mailing list traffic.
> I doubt it very very much.  For a start, how are people new to SM
> going to find your site?  Along with that, when people cannot be
> bothered to read simple instructions that are given all over the
> place, or notices of issues staring you right in the face (ie, PHP
> 4.4.1 bug with infinite loop on the front page), or the dozens of
> duplicated bug reports on the same issue that has been resolved, you
> cannot seriously think that just another site will resolve any of
> this.
>
My intend was to make life easier. If you think, it is comfortable for users
to digg through tons of postings on mailinglists to find a bug fix, this is
your opinion. For me it's boring.

If my approach does not fit into your SM concept, either provide an acceptable
solution or take the opportunity to use my offering,

I can't understand why my initiative and engagement for SM is not seen as a
chance to bring SM to a higher level of quality.

PLEASE NOTE:
My approach is no offense against any of the SM team and no critism to your
superb work for SM!

Live long and prosper
Florian
Squirrelmail patch forum
http://www.qv90.de?sqm



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