On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:38:03 +0200 "Peter 'PMc' Much" <p...@citylink.dinoex.sub.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 07:44:52AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > ! I am going to do something I almost never do, and that is > ! to speak for someone else: in this instance, Warner. > ! > ! Warner and I and a number of other people have been attempting > ! to remain calm and patient in the middle of various ongoing > ! stressful issues within FreeBSD. > ! > ! This kind of snide attack is exactly the kind of "reward" > > Sorry, what kind of "side attack" are You talking about? > > ! we do not deserve. For me, an insinuation that some > ! regression was deliberate is insulting and demotivating. > > What regression are You taking about? > I am not insinuating anything, since the commit logs clearly state > that this was done fully deliberate, after an educated evaluation > about how best to save some space. > > But Your reaction now is very typical for a certain kind of people > all busy to protect those in power against those considered plebs, > even if it requires "alternate facts". > > ! This is exactly the kind of attitude that drives volunteers > ! away from any organization. > > What in God's name are You talking about ??? > > ! Please consider your words more carefully next time. > > Sorry, but why, and in what regard? > > I am not speaking about any regression of any means, nor have I > intended any insinuation. > I only spent a night sleepless, to finally find out that it all > was done deliberately. I don't understand the reasons - there > certainly are some. But still I want to give as much feedback as > that this does really hurt. And obviousely I am not amused. > > During the night I was in the process of filing a bug report, but > I thought I should first do careful and extensive research, like > testing all the possible combinations, and reading all the documents > from since 14.0. So I did that, and only by that I could figure out > that this is a deliberate action, and so I cancelled the bug report. > > But as You don't want such thoroughly researched feedback - so why > don't you just make the commit logs a secret we ordinary users are > not allowed to read? Then we can no longer understand what was done > on purpose, and must file a bug report for everything. > > cheerio, > PMc Just about the last paragraph. Commit logs are not a secret. We, regular users who don't have commit bit can read the whole bunch of commit log the developers can read via cgit. https://cgit.freebsd.org/ There are read only mirrors like GitHub, GitLab and Codeberg, but they restricts items per directories, so cannot track all files via web interdace unless you already know its path. https://github.com/freebsd/ https://gitlab.com/FreeBSD/ https://codeberg.org/freebsd/ Note that GitHub mirror alone is official web mirror. And note that commit logs of stable/* and releng/* (for ports, quarterly like 2025Q3) are often truncated, so better to read on main branch (aka Current for src, latest for ports). In these cases, what committers can read should be the same as us. -- Tomoaki AOKI <junch...@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
