On Tue Nov 25 13:03:15 2008, Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
I also like the fact that you don't try to use a direct connection, which has the known problems, which many just ignored in the previous discussion.

Actually, it's not that the problems are ignored, they're simply punted. XEP-0247 simply says "Hey, we'll negotiate something that works", and avoids the entire issue, by design. This is a good thing.

We're hoping that technologies like ICE-TCP and other transport layer solutions will be developed. This seems pretty reasonable - I'm not convinced by ICE-TCP itself, but we're not tied to TCP, just a reliably ordered stream, which makes life rather simpler. (FWIW, I suspect we could use ICE to setup two-way UDP communications and layer a reliability layer on that - in fact, I think it's been done).

What any sane person would realise is that XMPP expertise won't help there at all, and that a good design would allow these additional technologies to be designed by others, and simply slotted in post-facto.

Dave.
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