On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:39:50AM +0100, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: > Peter Saint-Andre: > > But these days the threat model has changed and I think we need to > > go beyond merely "open" to "trusted". Yes, trust is a slippery > > concept, but in my mind it's connected to things like hardware > > (e.g., PNRGs), build processes, transparency of releases, community > > governance, software that does what the user intends and no more, > > etc. This is something bigger than any particular technology, so > > this list might not be the best place to discuss it. Maybe a blog > > post or new discussion venue is in order... > > There are quite a few existing venues for subsets of these topics or > aspects. But none of them so far seems to be appropriate for all of them.
stpeter didn't mean a physical venue... and since he just described exactly what youbroketheinternet.org is about, he might come over. Of course it is useful to open some minds and update some thinking. > I had hoped that the "assembly" which is being organized for 30C3 in > Hamburg at the end of this year might be a venue but it also is only > about a subset by explicitly rejecting interoperability with > federation based approaches. And for the current organisers improving > existing open standards also is off-topic. If you don't accept social graph protection as a more important priority than interoperability, then you should stay with XMPP and don't disturb people that have chosen a different set of priorities (which by the tone of the messages you send to our lists you seem to be doing). > At the same time I am generally not in favor of creating new venues if > existing ones can be used by extending their charter. > Something for FOSDEM 2014 ? Well, there are tons of places to discuss how to make open standards more open and more standard. CCC is the place that considers that kind of talk hacker-incompatible since hackers act for the people, not for the corporations involved in open standards procedures. Hackers are for "free" - not "open."
