-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/4/13 7:04 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: > Am 05.12.2013 02:51, schrieb Evgeny Khramtsov: > >> That's XMPP as it is: if something can be done by hands it will >> be done by hands :) There are no problems in XMPP. Oh wait... The >> only problem is TLS in virtual hosting. Let's invent 3 specs to >> solve it :) > > I wouldn't be so hard. It's a historical grown up protocol and it > isn't that bad, It solved a lot of problems and is well described. > There are much uglier things around. But maybe M2M offers the > oportunity to speak about some changes.
The m2m people I've talked with -- OpenADR, ISO, IEC, UPnP, oneM2M, etc. -- seem to care most about the fact that XMPP has been a standard for 10+ years, has a clear security story, is known to scale, and is extensible (they often have XML payloads). Something shiny and new wouldn't appeal to them. However, if you guys go off and design something shiny and new, do all the work to standardize it at the IETF, extend it in various ways, and wait 10-15 years for your technology to become stable and "safe", I'm sure that boring old industries like the electrical grid will take an interest. Of course, by then the technology that was once shiny and new will itself be seen as crufty and ugly by the cool kids working on hot new stuff. :-) For the record, personally I'm quite interested in some of the new DHT-based systems out there (e.g., Jeremie's telehash project), and such things could be used for m2m communication. I don't particularly think that the [email protected] is the place to discuss and design such technologies, except if there are integration points of interest. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSn+JOAAoJEOoGpJErxa2p45gQAK9m8YVwJGhhWg2LRuFdrPBA gWT665do1sHeQA5vwJ5coBNO45MDHzT2qUOsu98dmvZSiLFu2WFDWuL0nB+hmuFk /AcdIdCbUbMKkJfCbvSmgvbIRzGtICqm7kZt0khHCEkebSRUbcgbX/UE9ZaSNMzh bYAk7j5EUgQ0kqCIEzXg38IBgTwMqHhFKtmUH1i03P/7OPCtwaTDOlNEvedKSGhS 2JkLmm1OlqnRS3My40kYywwZqRf0dcMJp2GCe5eNqR3+gOsHffXiDakQfGISyDH6 O/2rGNtiQaHwbtGvPRPjBsIkLI2SPWTDEtfEAgXN15GqkTr6mpWm3FVYWGC7YVTU pcZys5Zgdk9bxT6e3hDFFbygWQH4uDTvPB068QC+CjmvH8VROb/0Br8Rs9k16q5y qH28VjosoKXr2VvUZ3EUHn3IFCmvy3hakE82Ocu7PbvgMJL9GAWAasqE6UiXg/dv Uf6n0QKuI0opq8159eYmeu3QBBu7SlNOm1nCnGLaa3Gv0bGcI7V3SRL3LzrEH1lt Wna7j8bMlFGu29uW01SJMrJyHW5x+zIEHqAVGmzkiHS5N3RW8VQC/RoD+bze7h3J 28dwC78t0/XHhZ4JNtQYFgDtSJxNzWba5py3cOpshcLVZWt+AaH40HO4+cS+4ZWo bBUxkzk9VS3oaCClft8U =G69D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
