On 1/16/17 9:50 AM, Georg Lukas wrote:


Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]>:
So, at this point, I wonder what we're doing here. :-)

Signal is a single company

It's a not-for-profit organization. Not exactly a for-profit monster like Google or Facebook.

providing a centralized product.

How important is the centralized aspect? The clients are open-source and can be inspected to determine the level of security and privacy.

I think
what's missing the most for our user community is the federation and
the choice of clients.

Few real people care about those things.

While I agree with you that they have achieved
significant results with a bunch of people,

~6 people is a small bunch.

this only shows that we
can get at least as good, if we just concentrate our efforts.

But we haven't done a good job of that. What's that definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results", right?

A single decision by Moxie or a single court order in some country
can make Signal unavailable to a large part of its user base.

That does concern me.

I'd argue that truly decentralized technologies (no servers or services involved at all) are even better than a federated model. But those are really hard to build.

Email and the web have survived the last decades, while centralized
services came and went away (anybody remembers AOL? MySpace?).

Good point.

Peter

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