Dear Richard,

When the TLUD has proper fuels it can burn very cleanly. So expertize will
become more and more necessary to help design processed fuels that emit 90%
less CO and PM in practice. Maybe we can make the focus of the next Summer
Stove Camp "How to Make/Find Clean Burning Fuels for TLUDs"?

All Best,

Dean

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Richard Stanley <[email protected]>wrote:

> Otto,
> Having introduced the briquettes with the godfather of the technology-- Dr
> Ben Bryant( U. Washington, Seattle, Washington) -- in Haiti in 2001, and
> subsequently having worked with several Haitian groups online to date, I
> have to say that the resources are there in-country. They are even more
> plentiful now with all the foreign aid packaging/paper and general waste
> generated as a result.
>
> Emergency relief, for all its  obvious and good intentions not
> withstanding...I'm sure that we all agree that Haiti's solution in the long
> run,  lies in meaningful employment, not aid handouts.  It is key to focus
> on that aspect and not more distribution of pre packaged solutions  that
> determines long term stability of not only the environment but the
> population and the politics as well.
>
> Having said that, ex president Clinton's observed "one cent solution" is
> apparently turning out to be a good deal more costly than that, eh?
>
> That the producers are using trash  (as opposed  to agro residues and
> carboniferous commercial processing wastes)   is an assured invitation for
> 1), substantial cost in sorting and/or 2), lots of smoke and stink and other
> things one does not want in a fire, esp., in a cookstove.
>
> Your notes about the briquettes thermal performance though, suggest a much
> deeper problem in the way the project was planned and organised in the first
> place.
>
> Let me back up a bit here for some explanation of my reasoning:
> There are two levels of briquetting:
> The first is the quick-fix operation which sees an easy and quick entry,
> with a great photo op and a big development splash in the media..
> Usually too, there is a great focus on the pressing and the type of press
> used but really pressing has little to do with quality of the final product
> at least in comparison to the processing of the biomass that preceeds it.
>  But processing is not the sexy part for big splash development: Seeing
> briquettes pop out of the mold is !
> Now quick fix briquetting will usually continue as long as the media is
> there and/or political / donor / private sector subsides are there to
> support production.  It  gains lots of attention because of the very NOTION
> of the idea, (or the name of the donor involved),  but not necessarily
> because of its substance in terms of practical self sustaining impact in the
> long run...In-depth thinking of the conseqences of the aid is not a
> priority..  It is where, several months into a project, and generally months
> even years after training, one learns about poor quality briquettes and cost
> issues, frankly.
>
> Briquetting at level 202 is a different story:
> It involves careful attention to the would be producer and their awareness
> of what it is they will be doing--for whom and for what. Ie.,  what impact
> it will have, not only on their environment but -of far more immediate
> consequence-what impact the project will have on  their own economic and
> socal survival.
> The planning of such a project also focuses first on the marketability of
> the product..the more ususal production costing, pricing, packaging, the
> barriers and  opportunities present in the market place.
> Planning also has lots to do with assessment of resources & agoresidue
> management, (which is to say something much beyond just use of paper). It
> includes selection and pretesting, chopping, moistening, partially
> decomposing-- then recombining with same or other biomass-- to create unique
> fuels-- tailored to the local marketplace. Some for example may have aromas
> traditionally used  for health or just ambiance. In most all cases they will
> be blended according to the  cooking needs of the local market..
>
> And of course there is lots of thought about how the briquettes will be
> used:  What about the stove  ( or for that matter, no stove three stone or
> other burning "appliance") . What  (if any) modifications would have to be
> made to optimise performance.
>
> Thats briquetting 202 and you only find that kind of skill where the
> product is being privately produced and the seller depends up on the sale of
> it and their sustained local credibility for their living..Its basically the
> typical marketplace and/or local community environment you find in most of
> the third world.  In using the term private enterprise, I use it loosely to
> include conventional private enterprise as well as  community or specific
> interest group-based enterprises. All of these can work equally well --as
> long as they are not subsidised or externally steam-rolled by politics or
> institutional interests and left alone to be working in direct response to
> their local market. The market too can also be an institution, a clinic, a
>  hospital school or the literal commercial market, as along as the same
> acountability , at risk -- at reward elements are at play.
> With now abou 15 years in the game  are really quite confident that
> biquettes can work and work quite well under a wide variety of resource
> conditions, cultures and applications. Therefore where briquettes are
> "discovered to smoke or not provide much heat" or "cost too much" the
> question therefore has to be asked,  "where and how were they trained, under
> what specific circumstances"?
>
> By comparison to our wood, much less pellet fuel  ...A well made briquette
> is in fact, be a designer fuel: It is offers far greater variability of
> content and application. I therefore wonder really, who is dealing in
> something more inferior here...
>
> As to moisture content, agreed that we are not in Norway but we know a bit
> about seasoning wood too.  (Maybe many of your cousins, like many other good
> Scandanavians taught us about that, here  in the pacific northwest !  The
> briquette is dried to ambient moisture, whatever that is. It is both highly
> permeable and porus, in comparison to wood. It can be bone dried from
> ambient moisture in a few minutes by hanging alongside the stove exterior
> wall or near it, before insertion== something many are finding very good
> results with, in fact..The measure of dryness is again something one also
> learns pretty much onsite, in Briquetting 202..
>
> One cent solutions may come and go...but the quality of a truely embedded
> process is worth its weight in gold.
>
> I would warmly invite you to the next briquette producers workshop like the
> one we just hosted in Arusha Tanzania, to see for yourself what I am talking
> about. We can send you a report of that conference if you or anybody reading
> this is interested...The task for us now is not how to improve their own
> skills ( I doubt if we could) but rather how to get these real producer and
> trainers to communicate with each other. Hang on and enjoy the ride, as we
> have lots to learn from the real producers and users and trainers, in the
> process.
>
> All the best Otto,
>  Sorry to sound like a preacher on this, especially to someone who could
> just as easily preach to me through his own unique experience .
>
> Richard Stanley
> www.legacyfound.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Otto Formo wrote:
>
> > Dear all and Richard,
> > I was told that Nataniel in World Stove manage to get hold of some
> pellets from Georgia and shipped to Haiti?!
> > Thats a total different story, here we are talking about a disaster sone
> and the forestcover on Haiti is close to 2% of its originally.
> > The need of suitable biomass fuel for households was also in an emergency
> phase, and still are, I belive...............
> >
> > What I also have heard from Haiti, is that Clinton`s "One Cent Solution"
> briquettes or pucks has not been a success story due to the fact of its low
> energy content and diffyculty to ignite.
> > Iam not surprised, because I have allways been wondering how you can add
> water into a biomass and later sundry it to become an efficient fuel.
> > In the cold winters of Norway we can realy FEEL the difference of good
> and bad firewood, either dry, 10% density or raw, from the heat transfer of
> the stove.
> >
> > About Jean`s question:
> > This is in AFRICA and costs is not an issue here and the agriwaste are
> avaiable according to my knowledge of english as my second or even third
> language.
> > To Jean`s further question about.....or both?:
> > I would just say like Paal:
> > Stoves and fuel are linked together...........
> > Just like the Mbawula and charcoal in Zambia.
> >
> > Why give the people of the developing world a "second hand" solution,
> when it can be "solved permanently"?
> >
> > Look at the cellphone industry...............
> >
> > We are going to Sweden, after our visit to Washington next week, to see a
> GEK gasifier to be assembled at the University of Uppsdala and find out how
> it works on pellets.
> >
> > Otto
> >
> >> From: Richard Stanley [[email protected]]
> >> Sent: 2011-01-06 23:40:06 MET
> >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [
> [email protected]]
> >> Subject: Re: [Stoves] When to choose fuel saving stoves over briquettes?
> >>
> >> Jean,
> >> Perhaps they could get a donor to import pellets like they attempted in
> Haiti eh ?
> >>
> >> Less facetiously, do you mean to say that there is no agricultural
> residues: leaves, stalks, grasses, straws, fronds fens water based weeds
> etc, chaff husks etc. available ? As well are you saying that there are no
> bio-wastes from commercial processing of biomass: viz.,  sawdust, paper,
> cartonboard. If that is so, then you must be descibing a refugee situation
> because there could be little chance of sustained habitation otherwise.
> >> The needs of one human being in the tropica and at up to say 1500 meters
> can easily be met by 300 grams of such wastes or combinations of same.. 300
> grams is abou one armful of loosely gathered collection of such material at
> ambient moisture content. Out theirya  Applciations  manual lays out a
> series of sustainable offtakes ( after soild amendment, tilth and even
> animal feed requirements are taken into consideration ---according to
> various land forms and land use patterns, from rural farmland, forest land,
> dry savannah, to even the urban setting...
> >> I would kindly ask where you are intending to set up the briquetting
> activity..Perhaps we or the hundreds we know of may know of someone who is
> already there producing briquettes who can train and equip your group. They
> ill also be best able to tell you whether or not it is feasible, with what
> resources..
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Stanley
> >> www.legacyfound.org
> >> NW Obamaland
> >>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Jean Kim Chaix wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, stovers.
> >>> Question: a community in Africa, where woodfuel is in short supply, is
> considering starting a briquette program. (The area does have access to ag
> waste for briquette-making.) If cost is not an issue, should the community
> invest in briquette making technology or try distributing high efficiency
> cookstoves? Or both?
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>
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