Dear Richard, a small correction. Ash is the non-combustible part of the fuel. Yours A.D.Karve
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Richard Stanley <[email protected]>wrote: > Sebo Robert, > I think that Rok is te real expert here, as he designed the stove and has > tested it many times. I do know that essentialy, ash = unburnt fuel… > Ultimately, no ash = perfect combustion. And of course it also depends > uponwhat you are using… > Richard Stanley > > On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM, ssemaganda Robert wrote: > > Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site > http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/ but I would want to know how is > one able to remove the ash that keeps accumulating b'se one thing I know > with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree > with me in that! > let me hear from you stovers > Robert > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:00 PM > *Subject:* Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 > > Send Stoves mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove for near > instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of desired > aromatics (Richard Stanley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700 > From: Richard Stanley <[email protected]> > To: Stoves and biofuels network <[email protected]> > Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove > for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of > desired aromatics > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). > ...from Here to Etorroficany it is: > > The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up > in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them = > into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way = > to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic = > emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source = > but I have not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems = > the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the = > biomass). =20 > > For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He = > pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette = > rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These = > and the story behind them is archived these on this site: = > http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/ > > Richard Stanley > www.legacyfound.org > > > > On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > Stovers, > > I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I = > think the idea is great!!! > > And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the = > sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the = > stoves. =20 > > Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this = > drying method very easily. =20 > > Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel = > for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD = > unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage. > > SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that = > are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of = > wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the = > fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass = > might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a = > piece of toast), which is not combustion. > > Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat = > near the stoves. > > Paul > Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD" > Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > Website: www.drtlud.com > > On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote: > > =20 > > George, > > ... snip ... > > You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to = > super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless = > ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends = > for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used = > tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You = > could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by = > simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20 > > =20 > > Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape = > and configuration=20 > > [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a = > peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette = > on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves = > List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ] > > =20 > > Richard Stanley > > www.legacfound.org > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > > --Apple-Mail-6--76304495 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=us-ascii > > <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = > -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = > ">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to = > Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at = > least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a = > few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without = > burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in = > eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions = > out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have = > not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the = > aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the = > biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please = > take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of = > molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is = > being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is = > archived these on this site: <a = > href=3D"http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/";> > http://holeyroket.wordpr= > ess.com/2011/06/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard = > Stanley</div><div><a = > href=3D"http://www.legacyfound.org";>www.legacyfound.org > </a></div><div><br>= > </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul = > Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> > =20 > <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" = > http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"> > =20 > <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> > Stovers,<br> > <br> > I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel = > drying. > I think the idea is great!!!<br> > <br> > And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the > sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the > stoves. <br> > <br> > Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this > drying method very easily. <br> > <br> > Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the > fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which > the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD = > usage.<br> > <br> > SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near = > fuels > that are being dried present even greater risks. But = > this is > because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, = > however, > merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous = > combustion. > Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like > the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br> > <br> > Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat > near the stoves.<br> > <br> > Paul<br> > <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka = > "Dr TLUD" > Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = > href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a> Skype: = > paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = > href=3D"http://www.drtlud.com/";>www.drtlud.com</a></pre> > <br> > On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote: > <blockquote = > cite=3D"mid:[email protected]" = > type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George, > <div> ... snip ...</div> > </blockquote> > <blockquote = > cite=3D"mid:[email protected]" = > type=3D"cite"> > <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes > alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant = > and > near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas = > (eg., > eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and = > lemon > grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal / > cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively > ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple = > slots in > stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. > <div><br> > </div> > <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only = > guessing at > stove shape and configuration <br> > </div> > </div> > </blockquote> > <br> > [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's = > diagram. Imagine > a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey > briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original = > message to > the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves > Listserv. ]<br> > <blockquote = > cite=3D"mid:[email protected]" = > type=3D"cite"> > <div> > <div> <br> > </div> > <div>Richard Stanley</div> > <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = > href=3D"http://www.legacfound.org/";>www.legacfound.org</a></div> > <div><br> > </div> > <div><br> > </div> > <div><br> > </div> > <div> > </div> > </div> > </blockquote> > </div> > > </div><br></div></body></html>= > > --Apple-Mail-6--76304495-- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > End of Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > -- *** Dr. A.D. Karve Trustee & Founder President, Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI)
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