Christa - do you (or anyone else on the list) know of someone working with an Ecoworxx unit in the US?
Josh On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, CHRISTA ROTH <[email protected]>wrote: > Paul, you should have just asked me for info. The Pelletmaker 3.0 from > Ecoworxx is the one that I have, it was the only one available from > Ecoworxx in 2010. It is featured in the GIZ-HERA manual microgasification > http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf, see > photos and link to their website on page 90. that unit is now doing work > in Malawi, though not for fuel processing. but for waste management. In > 2010 I paid less than 5,000 Euro for the machine, including a 6 mm and an > extra 20-mm die (which is 60 mm thick!). I don't know current pricing. > > there is another unit in Senegal making Typha-grass-pellets. both machines > were airfreighted to Africa, increasing the cost, but speeding up the > process (220kg). The challenge to get it to Malawi was that the pallet > where the machine is mounted for transport could not go upright as they > only have small cargo planes flying into the country, so they had to make a > special double pallet and lay the machine flat on the side for the > transport. it still worked. and Ecoworxx handled it all. > For a trial machine to prove a concept it is actually ideal to have the > shredder and the pelletiser in one machine. it is probably not so > appropriate to go on a commercial scale, there it makes sense to have the > two steps separated, depending on your setting. Ecoworxx has since > developed larger capacity products. > > but if you are not sure that you will actually succeed and have a market > case for pellets in a certain area, that small machine, that was developed > for the German home-owner for private use is the best you can get. Added > advantage is that you only need 3 KvA, but tri-phase power. But it can do > maximum 50 kg per hour, depending on the material. > > and because it is a flat-die machine, it is easy to exchange the dies to > work with different diameters. I have 6, 14 and 20 mm dies, depending on > material and what you want to use it for. > the dies are good quality, but also wear out with time. The deterioration > rate depends again on the material that you put through, but the dies last > far longer than the chinese versions that you can get relatively cheaply on > the market. > > Yet if you want to go to scale, there are ring-die machines for larger > volumes made in Africa, see again the manual, next page with photo and > reference to website. > > hope that answers most of the questions. > Christa > > Am 30.09.2012 um 15:55 schrieb Paul Anderson <[email protected]>: > > Rolf, > > Yes, we would like to know the prices. This Listserv is not for > commercial purposes, but you can certainly inform us of the prices here > because so many people want to know. And not all want the USA prices. > Basic price where manufactured. And I want to know about getting units in > eastern Africa (specifically Uganda). > > Question: Wouldn't it make more sense to have the > chopping/shreading/grinding to be done separately from the machine that > does the pelletizing? That would allow the user to make appropriate > mixtures for the pellets. > > So I ask: Can you make and sell the pelletizer unit separately? Prices > please. > > I like the ability to have different diameters of pellets!!! > > Finally, where can we see independent reviewer comments about your > machines? And comparative info with other pelletizers? > > As we (generic we because there are several efforts) advance with TLUD > stoves in eastern Africa, there could be considerable market for > appropriately priced and reliable pelletizing equipment. Small units are > fine. Labor costs are so low, so it is vastly different from the USA and > Europe situations. Do you have any representation in Africa? > > Paul > > Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD" > Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > Website: www.drtlud.com > > On 9/30/2012 4:35 AM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote: > > Hallo Paul, Ron and others, > > uniformizing low density fuels and uneven size fuels has always been a > problem. > I found a good solution in the Ecoworxx all-in one pelletizer. > This is a unique device which has a big hopper on top and a rasping drum > underneath it. > It will reduce virtually any feedstock less than 12 cm diam to particles > between 1 and 6 mm. > These fall into a mixing chamber below where the moisture content is > measured and -if too dry- water is added by an automatic pump. > A second moisture sensor at the entrance to the dosifying screw regulates > the addition of water. > The ground biomass is fed into the flat die press underneath and leaves it > as prime grade pellets. > You can change the die in 10 minutes and have the choice to produce 6 -8 > -12- 16 -20 -and 25 mm pellets on the same machine! > It doesn´t come from China, though because despite the price advantage, > all the units I saw never met the quality standard for trouble free use. > And you cannot move away from them because they have to be fed continuously. > Our machine is entirely designed and manufactured in Germany, meets the CE > requirements and really works! > > If you are interested, come to the Expobioenergia fair in Valladolid/Spain > on 23-25.Oct. this year where we shall expose two working units. > > We just pelletized whole canes of Arundo Donax in one go into wonderfull > hard 6 mm fuel pellets! > > Many more samples have been tested successfully. We would be happy to test > yours! > > No time to visit the fair? > Check www.ecoworxx.de and if you call or write in my name they will know > your problem ! > > Rolf Uhle > > Energies Naturals C.B. > > (sober again, Ron?) > > > > > Am 30.09.2012 05:39, schrieb Paul Olivier: > > Ron, > > You bring up a very good point here. If the biomass is uniform, granular > and dry, it becomes very easy to process in a TLUD. That is why it is so > appealing to work with biomass that is already uniform, granular and dry, > such as rice hulls and coffee husks. > > But if we have biomass that is not uniform, granular and dry (such as > straw, pine needles or sawdust), then we might think about drying and > pelletizing it. In this way we have a top-quality gasifier fuel. This > allows us to take full advantage of both the biochar and gas. In the case > of rice hulls and coffee husks, the gas has a much greater commercial value > than the biochar. In making biochar it is such a pity to waste the gas. > > Also when we pelletize biomass, the bulk density can reach as high as 600 > kgs/m3. This means that if we use a gasifier for purposes of household > cooking, the height of the reactor has to be only a fraction of the height > of a reactor utilizing undensified biomass such as rice hulls (of a bulk > density of less than 100 kgs/m3). If we do not change the height of the > reactor, then cooking times per batch can last three or four hours. When we > have thousands of households and small business using gasifiers, then we do > not have to think about making biochar as an independent activity. > > I really like small pellets of a diameter of about 6 mm. Of course there > is the cost of buying a pellet machine. But they are quite cheap out of > China. And there is the cost of electricity or fuel to make the pellets. > But this cost is easily offset by the value of the syngas produced. Even in > a poor country such as Vietnam, it is easy to buy pellets in local markets. > > Thanks. > Paul > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier <[email protected]>wrote: > > Dear Alex, > > I haven't carefully read the whole thread but haven't seen granularity of > fuel addressed. Isn't that what makes a lot of difference in the flame/gas > quality ( along with the moisture content, of course ) and determines the > necessity of either using or not using forced air? Regarding Dr. Karve's > drums I'm wondering how careful everyone is in emphasizing fuel moisture > and particularity/uniformity issues in using these tools. > > I think my first sentence above applies to both DD (Imberts or others) and > TLUD's. > > regards, > Ronald von der Oktoberfestnähe > > (mein heutiger Name wird nur dann getragen bei einer > Bierleichensichtungsrate von > 1 / Tag ;-) ) > > > > > On 29.09.2012 20:55, Alex English wrote: > > Tom, > I guess it may depend on what you consider a clean burn. My experiments > focused the gases through a smaller out let pipe and then added the > secondary air. So for a two foot diameter drum the pipe was three inches > in diameter. Air was introduced near the top having only half that > distance to penetrate, and combustion occurred in a six inch diameter > chimney , six feet tall above. > > Combustion was measurably good to very good nineteen times out of twenty. > > So, what indeed is the limit? > Alex > On 2012-09-29 11:47 AM, "Tom Miles" <[email protected]> wrote: > > AD, Paul, Kobus and others. Many thanks for the suggestions. > > > What is the largest practical size (kg fuel/hr, kW) for a single TLUD with > a clean stack for heat recovery? There must be a limit to the air > penetration to get a clean gas burn form a natural draft stack or even a > fan driven TLUD. > > > Tom > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Anand Karve > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 11:22 PM > *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves > *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Fabricated Burn Barrel TLUDS > > > Dear Tom, > > we regularly supply charring kilns made out of used 55 gallon drums. The > kilns are based on the TLUD principle. The cost of a kiln plus an extra > barrel for storing the char, is about US$100. We have sold more than 100 > such kilns in India and have also trained a number of persons from India > and Africa. These kilns are so easy to manufacture, that we ask the > trainees to photograph and take measurements of our kiln so that they can > copy the design. In many instances, people buy a kiln from us, because they > feel that their local fabricator would be better able to copy the design > from an actual object than from a blue print or a photograph. > > The advantage of using 55 gallon drums is that used drums are available at > a relatively low cost, and the kilns are portable. Instead of transporting > the biomass, one transports the kiln to the location where the biomass is > available, and brings back only the charred material, which weighs only a > third as much as the biomass. > > Yours > > A.D.Karve > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Tom Miles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Am often asked if there is a burn barrel sized TLUD that is commercially > fabricated. We’ve seen some great DIY with Doug’s Jolly Roger and others. > Is anyone fabricating a 55 gal drum sized TLUD that can be used for regular > biochar production? If so, what is the cost and availability? > > > Thanks > > > Tom Miles > > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > -- > *** > Dr. A.D. 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