Dear Ronald I was struck by the apparent parallel between "Classic Old Time Imperialism" in the Physical world, and "Technology Capitalism" in the "Stoves World." Examples of the "Classic Old Time Capitalism" would be of the Romans who conquered Countries for their Resources, and the Spaniards conquered the Mayans and Incas for their Gold, as compared to "Technology Capitalism", where a Member or Members of the "Stoves List World" seek to take New Technology, "The Gold of the Stoves World" from "lesser powers."
Imperialism is defined at http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism Classic Imperialism usually involved exploitation of a smaller or weaker Country or people by a more powerful Government or Country, where "the Imperialist" takes labour and tangible resources from the Country or people it dominates. The parallel with "Classic Imperialism" is perhaps weak, in that neither Governments nor tangible resources are involved, but rather, Individuals and abstract Technology. Perhaps my parallel was "too big a stretch." What do you think? Best wishes, Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Hongsermeier To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove Dear Kevin, Please define "Imperialism" since it's not clear from the context what you mean. Thanks, Ronald von der Neuenkleinindustrieparkanlage On 06.11.2012 05:37, Kevin wrote: Dear Anil Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and well. Best wishes, Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: nari phaltan To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove Dear Prof Nurhuda, It is a very impressive development and you are right in expecting a suitable rate of return on your intellectual property. Such requests for waiving rights have also been received by us for our ethanol stove work before from some members of the group. All the best. Anil K Rajvanshi On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Prof. Anderson, The equipments used to produce the stove are actually the standard equipments used in the kerosene stove production. They are hydraulic press, welding equipment, roller, and still many other equipments. The number of personals are 30 persons, but those are involved in the production, due to still lower demand, is only 6-10 persons. The maximum production capacity, at moment, around 500 units in week. But we can increase up to 1000 units in week. It depends on the difficulty level, the stove dimension and still many other things. The expenses used in the development of new stoves are mostly for research and purchasing or build new equipments. We have spent more tens thousands US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree to any proposal to intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it to me two years ago. Kind regards M. Nurhuda Regards M. Nurhuda > Dear M. Nurhuda, > > Thank you for the info. > > Many of us are curious about your workshop to produce such nice items. > Questions include the equipment, personnel, and production capacity. > > With appreciation, > > Paul > > Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD" > Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > Website: www.drtlud.com > > On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron Larson wrote: >> >> Lists: >> >> Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this additional information on >> his recently announced stove. >> >> Ron >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove* >>> >>> Dear Mr Larson, >>> >>> Thank a lot for your email. The stove is my recent attempt in order >>> biomass pellet can be well burnt. Previously, I developed stove fueled >>> wit >>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for palm kernel shell, >>> but >>> it is not immediately good for biomass pellet. There are a lot of >>> things >>> that have to be optimized. >>> >>> Yes, the excess air can be seen from the appearance of the flame. >>> Optimal >>> secondary air would produce very transparent,short flame, though it >>> must >>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin Pemberton Pigott has witnessed the stove >>> as I demonstrated it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last October. >>> >>> I just started to sell this pellet stoves. At the moment, I got >>> purchasing >>> order of 1200 stoves. It occurs after the buyer perform test by >>> himself. >>> However, due to limited capacity of our workshop, the buyer must wait >>> up >>> to 3 months right now. At the moment, we are manufacturing 1600 >>> chopped-wood fueled stoves for project in Sumba Island, Indonesia. >>> >>> The percentage of charcoal by weight is 20-25%. Some time it is less. >>> But >>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until the last smoke >>> production. >>> >>> Biochar is char that contains volatile matter (VM) less then 3%. When >>> the >>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the reaction of VM and water can lead the >>> acidic soil condition, and it is not good for the plant. We believe >>> that >>> the biochar produced by combustion of our stove is VM-free, such that >>> it >>> is good for soil conditioner. >>> >>> As you might know, my background is a theoretical atomic and laser >>> physicist. I do not know some specific terms like turn-down ratio. I >>> started to develop stoves in the late 2008. In addition, I do not have >>> laboratory, just small workshop that produces the stoves. So far, the >>> performance tests are performed by external laboratories. In 2010 test >>> performed by PT Puser Bumi in cooperation with directory of bioenergy, >>> republic of Indonesia, our wood chopped stoves was the best among other >>> 60 >>> stoves. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> M. Nurhuda >>> >>> > Prof. Nurhuda >>> > This is a really fine looking stove. The part that intrigues me most >>> is >>> that you are controlling secondary air for the pyrolysis gases. And >>> apparently doing it (and primary air) well with the rotating disc >>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any other stove controlling both >>> (without a fan) - so any data on the value of that for users of the >>> stove >>> > could be very helpful to others. (Can they control excess air by the >>> look >>> > of the flame?) >>> > A few questions: >>> > the price? >>> > sales going well? >>> > what percentage char by weight? >>> > any soil improvement results from using the biochar? >>> > can you do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio? (based on your two stated >>> power >>> > levels) >>> > apparently you are striving for biochar (great!), but can you >>> describe >>> conditions if you try to burn the produced char? >>> > any efficiency data? >>> > you appear to be pre-heating both primary and secondary air - can you >>> attribute any performance improvement to that? (I know of no-one else >>> doing both) >>> > Thanks for the alert on your stove. >>> > Ron >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From:[email protected] >>> <http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id> >>> > To:[email protected] >>> <http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM >>> > Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove >>> > Dear all, >>> > Please check to following page to see the video of our smoke-free, >>> biomass-pellet fueled stove: >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be >>> > Kind regards >>> > M. 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