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Am Dienstag, 6. November 2012, 16:59:57 schrieben Sie: > Dear Kevin, > > I am just wondering if it's helpful-- or rather to be perhaps a bit > blunt-- doubtful that it is. There are people on the list who are merely > commenting observers, active philanthropists, idea philanthropists, > tinkerers, business owners/employers and open-source religionists. Then > there are people that are combinations of the aforementioned or > something completely different. I think that Anil is well within the > rights of his situation and conscience to do as he has done while I at > the same time think of myself as a supporter of people as varied and > different as Doug Williams and Jim Mason. The main problem I had with > your comment at first read was that I was not sure whether you were > saying that you were supporting Mr. Nurhuda's momentary policy or not. > And, sadly, I have to admit that I'm even more confused now, because I > think that logically you may be working with a chiastic instead of > parallel logical structure, where the elements are not simply aligned > having like characterists along two axes, but with opposite referents > and thus crossed axes. > > regards, > > Ronald von Wochenendemitteninderwoche :/ > > On 06.11.2012 14:07, Kevin wrote: > > Dear Ronald > > I was struck by the apparent parallel between "Classic Old Time > > Imperialism" in the Physical world, and "Technology Capitalism" in the > > "Stoves World." Examples of the "Classic Old Time Capitalism" would > > be of the Romans who conquered Countries for their Resources, and the > > Spaniards conquered the Mayans and Incas for their Gold, as compared > > to "Technology Capitalism", where a Member or Members of the "Stoves > > List World" seek to take New Technology, "The Gold of the Stoves > > World" from "lesser powers." > > Imperialism is defined at > > http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism Classic > > Imperialism usually involved exploitation of a smaller or weaker > > Country or people by a more powerful Government or Country, where "the > > Imperialist" takes labour and tangible resources from the Country or > > people it dominates. The parallel with "Classic Imperialism" is > > perhaps weak, in that neither Governments nor tangible resources are > > involved, but rather, Individuals and abstract Technology. > > Perhaps my parallel was "too big a stretch." What do you think? > > Best wishes, > > Kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > *From:* Ronald Hongsermeier <mailto:[email protected]> > > *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:19 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove > > > > Dear Kevin, > > > > Please define "Imperialism" since it's not clear from the context > > what you mean. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ronald von der Neuenkleinindustrieparkanlage > > > > On 06.11.2012 05:37, Kevin wrote: > >> Dear Anil > >> Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and well. > >> Best wishes, > >> Kevin > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* nari phaltan <mailto:[email protected]> > >> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled > >> stove > >> > >> *Dear Prof Nurhuda,* > >> * > >> * > >> *It is a very impressive development and you are right in > >> expecting a suitable rate of return on your intellectual > >> property. Such requests for waiving rights have also been > >> received by us for our ethanol stove work before from some > >> members of the group.* > >> * > >> * > >> *All the best.* > >> * > >> * > >> *Anil K Rajvanshi* > >> * > >> * > >> * > >> * > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <[email protected] > >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Dear Prof. Anderson, > >> > >> The equipments used to produce the stove are actually the > >> standard > >> equipments used in the kerosene stove production. They > >> are hydraulic > >> press, welding equipment, roller, and still many other > >> equipments. > >> > >> The number of personals are 30 persons, but those are > >> involved in the > >> production, due to still lower demand, is only 6-10 persons. > >> > >> The maximum production capacity, at moment, around 500 > >> units in week. But > >> we can increase up to 1000 units in week. It depends on > >> the difficulty > >> level, the stove dimension and still many other things. > >> > >> The expenses used in the development of new stoves are > >> mostly for research > >> and purchasing or build new equipments. We have spent > >> more tens thousands > >> US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree > >> to any proposal > >> to intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it > >> to me two years > >> ago. > >> > >> Kind regards > >> M. Nurhuda > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> M. Nurhuda > >> > >> > Dear M. Nurhuda, > >> > > >> > Thank you for the info. > >> > > >> > Many of us are curious about your workshop to produce > >> > >> such nice items. > >> > >> > Questions include the equipment, personnel, and > >> > >> production capacity. > >> > >> > With appreciation, > >> > > >> > Paul > >> > > >> > Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD" > >> > Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > >> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > >> <tel:%2B1-309-452-7072> > >> > >> > Website: www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com> > >> > > >> > On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron Larson wrote: > >> >> Lists: > >> >> Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this additional > >> > >> information on > >> > >> >> his recently announced stove. > >> >> > >> >> Ron > >> >> > >> >> Begin forwarded message: > >> >>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <[email protected] > >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > >> >>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > >> >>> *Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST > >> >>> *To:* [email protected] > >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <mailto:[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> > >> >>> *Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet > >> > >> fueled stove* > >> > >> >>> Dear Mr Larson, > >> >>> > >> >>> Thank a lot for your email. The stove is my recent > >> > >> attempt in order > >> > >> >>> biomass pellet can be well burnt. Previously, I > >> > >> developed stove fueled > >> > >> >>> wit > >> >>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for > >> > >> palm kernel shell, > >> > >> >>> but > >> >>> it is not immediately good for biomass pellet. There > >> > >> are a lot of > >> > >> >>> things > >> >>> that have to be optimized. > >> >>> > >> >>> Yes, the excess air can be seen from the appearance > >> > >> of the flame. > >> > >> >>> Optimal > >> >>> secondary air would produce very transparent,short > >> > >> flame, though it > >> > >> >>> must > >> >>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin Pemberton Pigott has > >> > >> witnessed the stove > >> > >> >>> as I demonstrated it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last October. > >> >>> > >> >>> I just started to sell this pellet stoves. At the > >> > >> moment, I got > >> > >> >>> purchasing > >> >>> order of 1200 stoves. It occurs after the buyer > >> > >> perform test by > >> > >> >>> himself. > >> >>> However, due to limited capacity of our workshop, the > >> > >> buyer must wait > >> > >> >>> up > >> >>> to 3 months right now. At the moment, we are > >> > >> manufacturing 1600 > >> > >> >>> chopped-wood fueled stoves for project in Sumba > >> > >> Island, Indonesia. > >> > >> >>> The percentage of charcoal by weight is 20-25%. Some > >> > >> time it is less. > >> > >> >>> But > >> >>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until > >> > >> the last smoke > >> > >> >>> production. > >> >>> > >> >>> Biochar is char that contains volatile matter (VM) > >> > >> less then 3%. When > >> > >> >>> the > >> >>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the reaction of VM and > >> > >> water can lead the > >> > >> >>> acidic soil condition, and it is not good for the > >> > >> plant. We believe > >> > >> >>> that > >> >>> the biochar produced by combustion of our stove is > >> > >> VM-free, such that > >> > >> >>> it > >> >>> is good for soil conditioner. > >> >>> > >> >>> As you might know, my background is a theoretical > >> > >> atomic and laser > >> > >> >>> physicist. I do not know some specific terms like > >> > >> turn-down ratio. I > >> > >> >>> started to develop stoves in the late 2008. In > >> > >> addition, I do not have > >> > >> >>> laboratory, just small workshop that produces the > >> > >> stoves. So far, the > >> > >> >>> performance tests are performed by external > >> > >> laboratories. In 2010 test > >> > >> >>> performed by PT Puser Bumi in cooperation with > >> > >> directory of bioenergy, > >> > >> >>> republic of Indonesia, our wood chopped stoves was > >> > >> the best among other > >> > >> >>> 60 > >> >>> stoves. > >> >>> > >> >>> Kind regards > >> >>> M. Nurhuda > >> >>> > >> >>> > Prof. Nurhuda > >> >>> > This is a really fine looking stove. The part that > >> > >> intrigues me most > >> > >> >>> is > >> >>> that you are controlling secondary air for the > >> > >> pyrolysis gases. And > >> > >> >>> apparently doing it (and primary air) well with the > >> > >> rotating disc > >> > >> >>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any other stove > >> > >> controlling both > >> > >> >>> (without a fan) - so any data on the value of that > >> > >> for users of the > >> > >> >>> stove > >> >>> > >> >>> > could be very helpful to others. (Can they control > >> > >> excess air by the > >> > >> >>> look > >> >>> > >> >>> > of the flame?) > >> >>> > A few questions: > >> >>> > the price? > >> >>> > sales going well? > >> >>> > what percentage char by weight? > >> >>> > any soil improvement results from using the biochar? > >> >>> > can you do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio? (based > >> > >> on your two stated > >> > >> >>> power > >> >>> > >> >>> > levels) > >> >>> > apparently you are striving for biochar (great!), > >> > >> but can you > >> > >> >>> describe > >> >>> conditions if you try to burn the produced char? > >> >>> > >> >>> > any efficiency data? > >> >>> > you appear to be pre-heating both primary and > >> > >> secondary air - can you > >> > >> >>> attribute any performance improvement to that? (I > >> > >> know of no-one else > >> > >> >>> doing both) > >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks for the alert on your stove. > >> >>> > Ron > >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> > From:[email protected] > >> > >> <mailto:from%[email protected]> > >> > >> <http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40 > >> ub.ac.id> > >> > >> >>> > To:[email protected] > >> > >> <mailto:to%[email protected]> > >> > >> <http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40li > >> sts.bioenergylists.org> > >> > >> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM > >> >>> > Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled > >> > >> stove > >> > >> >>> > Dear all, > >> >>> > Please check to following page to see the video of > >> > >> our smoke-free, > >> > >> >>> biomass-pellet fueled stove: > >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be > >> > > >> >>> > Kind regards > >> >>> > M. 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