Kevin and list: See below ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" <[email protected]> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:34:01 PM Subject: Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon
Dear Ron You mention $16 and $27 per tonne CO2 equivalent. I presume you are referring to a payment that one would receive when showing that one has earned a tonne of CO2 equivalent. [RWL: Yup - examples only - hopefully larger.] 1: Where would one apply to get such payments? [RWL: Anywhere one can. Numerous stove promoters on this list already getting some.] 2: Who would be eligible to receive such payments? [RW L: Anyone who can prove they deserve them .] 3: What conditions must be met, before the payments would actually be made? [RWL: Whatever is acceptable to the presumably willing bu yer of the credits.] I am concerned that with the state of the World Economy, Governments will lose their interest in longer term Climate Change Concerns, and would put their priorities on addressing short term and more immediate concerns. [RWL: We disagree.] What are your views on the future of Carbon Credit payments? [RWL: They will slowly creep up in price (maybe in time to do some good ) . Biochar credits from char-making stoves look like the easiest to sell of any. Ron ] Thanks very much. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon Dean and list: Tami's is one huge report (232 pages in a major journal sounds like a world record). I spent quite a few hours today trying to grasp the topic - and know now I had better give up. The Black Carbon problem is going to take experts like Tami to bring its importance into the world of stoves. There may be an argument that if a stove can prove $16/.tonne CO2, you might have a chance at proving up to (or even more than?) $27/tonne CO2e, if you are in the right place on the globe. (These numbers based on numbers given in terms of W/sqm.) I recommend casual readers getting quickly to the figures at the extreme end of the report/paper. There is a lot of useful numercal geographic and sources comparisons there. As Crispin has indicated the intentional large scale annual burning of large parts of Africa look like a good place to instead harvest and get useful energy and biiochar instead (through stoves and more). Congratulations on arranging to have Tami be the ETHOS key-noter. I think she may have been at the first! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Still" <[email protected]> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon Dear Friends, Tami is the keynote speaker at ETHOS this year and it will be interesting to hear what she's been learning! All Best, Dean On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Dear Friends A new and I would say major major paper on the atmospheric impact of black carbon particles is available for download. We know at least two of the authors here on ‘Stoves’. Profs Tami Bond and Philip Hopke (the aethalometer builder who said he was a minor contributor) are frequent contributors on the subject of emissions testing. The paper is important because it is the first really detailed examination of the effects of atmospheric heating by Black Carbon (BC). The abstract is at http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract and the paper is at http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf It is not behind a paywall but it is large (40 MB). Times to get your hands dirty with BC! 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