Just my 2 cts...

under tropic circumstances, it should be easy to produce biogas from the 
expeller and use this as a safe and clean fuel for heat and cold and light.

The slurry is a good fertilizer and brings the N back to the earth where it 
belongs.
Not that this was a terribly new idea...

Rolf

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:27:40 +0100
Otto Formo <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Jonathan,
> The presscake, I mentioned from Zambia, was the leftover after exstracting 
> the oil.The oil was used locally, to replace kerosine in lamps etc. and 
> production of soap.
> During our stay in Zambia, kerosine could hardly be found, even nearby the 
> refinery in Ndola, Copperbelt and the price was almost the double of diesel.
> In your Jiko Safi stove, you are "wasting" the oil for cooking, only.
> We are in favour of haveing multi use stoves (MUS), when it comes to fuel, 
> but we feel there are to much worries about the toxic content in Jatroha 
> worth while to gamble on.
> We feel the processing of seedcakes to pellets is done in a "simple" way, 
> like in Zambia, due to the fact of high content of oil working as a binder. 
> If the Jatropha seeds, can be used as fuel in suitable gasifier stoves, I can 
> "garantee" you that no fruits will be laying on the ground and rot, people 
> are not stupied, but the fruits are considered as toxic by most people in the 
> tropics............
> Good luck. Otto
> 
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:23:36 -0500 
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Richard,
> 
>  
> 
> Not sure why you feel my briquetting education has been neglected, since that 
> kind of fuel is not mentioned in any of my postings; but I certainly 
> subscribe to Dean's comment: we all have a lot to learn about such 
> alternative fuels. I would add: and the stoves that burn them in a truly 
> clean way.  Which brings up the question: if a briquette or pellet is burned 
> in an open charcoal brazier, do we have a clean energy source? To put in 
> another way, there are no 'clean' or 'dirty' fuels; it's combination of fuel 
> and stove that must be evaluated together for emissions and other performance 
> parameters. 
> 
>  
> 
> My densified fuels question to Otto the Senior or anyone else who can 
> enlighten me concerning the logic of pelletizing Jatropha presscake.  If 
> farmers grow their own energy-dense, uniform-sized fuel, i.e., whole Jatropha 
> seed, why complicate matters by processing that ready-to-use fuel into 
> another fuel? No matter how efficient the pelletizing process, it must 
> require time and energy. Why not burn these seeds directly in a micro 
> gasifier stove, such as our jiko safi?  
> 
>  
> 
> Let me try to head off some likely comments. I know that there are companies 
> in many African and Asian countries engaged in commercial scale production of 
> Jatropha (and other biofuel crops) for export of biodeisel. Land grabbing and 
> other nefarious activities of some of these players are obscene, as once 
> again the global north exploits tropical countries for cheap/free land and 
> cheap labor to meet its own needs. 
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, those Jatropha oil export ventures produce presscake as a by-product 
> which they pelletize and market for fuel.  And yes, some smaller operations 
> in a few countries like Uganda, are trying to make a go of producing 
> Jatropha-based biofuels for local and regional energy markets.  But for all 
> the publicity, most of it appropriately negative, in the 'food vs. fuel' 
> analysis, there's a lot more to Jatropha than current attempts to put the oil 
> in European cars and jet engines.
> 
>  
> 
> Far apart from all these recent commercial Jatropha ventures, many of which 
> are unprofitable for reasons we can discuss another time if anyone's 
> interested, are many millions of farmers in over 110 countries who use 
> Jatropha as a living hedge and for medicianl uses. Seems it's grown in every 
> frost-free area of the world. I've found it from Cuba -- it's native to the 
> neo-tropics -- to Mali, which has thousands of kilometers of hedges, to 
> Bhutan where villagers were obliged to pay a Jatropha tax to monks for 
> lighting in floating wick lamps.  
> 
>  
> 
> My guess is that over 99% of all Jatropha seed fall to the ground and rot, 
> unused. (One study in a district of Tanzania where Jatropha seed is a traded 
> commodity found that only 6% of  seed is harvested.) As we all search for 
> renewable, sustainably harvested biomass to fuel our favorite stoves, can we 
> afford to overlook seeds of this ubiquitous, multi-use species? 
> 
>  
> 
> The point of importuning my stove list colleagues on a fine Sunday morning is 
> to interest other stove makers to look at Jatropha and other energy-rich 
> seeds as a category of fuel worth consideration for new stove designs.  We 
> are modestly pleased with the performance of the jiko safi, but we also know 
> that some of you with far deeper understanding of gasification and far more 
> experience in stove design could produce a much better model.  Anyone want to 
> take up this challenge?
> 
>  
> 
> Over to you,
> 
>  
> 
> Jonathan
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:46:53 -0600
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> 
> Dear Ottos,
> Seems you both need training in briquettemaking . Jon you know where to go in 
> nchi yeti but Otto, where are you based? Seriously, the blends you are 
> finding smelly smokey etc suggests that you get in touch with any of hundreds 
> of others who can train you. 
> Richard Stanley
> Monte Rico,
> Guatemala
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 19, 2013, at 18:10, Otto Formo <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Josh and Jonathan (Otto),
> 
> 
> Yes, we are talking about the presscake of Jatropha and it was processed into 
> pellets localy in Zambia, quite easily and with "simple" tools - (no waste of 
> energy)
> 
> We had the same experience as your colleagues using briquettes made out of 
> ricehusks and sawdust.
> They even started to glow like charcoal early in the gasification process and 
> produced smoky and smouldery combustion.
> 
> 
> Thast why we prefer to use pellets of best possible quality. 
> 
> 
> I hope you are correct about the gasification of jatropha pellets will 
> destroy the phorbol esters and other problematic compounds instead of 
> emitting them.
> Iam a bit worried about the forced draft units, while they seems to blow some 
> parts of the ash and gases into the open air or room.
> 
> 
> May be the char from Jatropha could have a pestecide effect as well?
> 
> 
> Otto
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:23:35 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> Otto - FYI jatropha presscake (the mealy material left over once oil has been 
> pressed out of the seeds) can be directly pelletized without further 
> processing. It's pretty easy to pelletize, even with a small, cheaper (e.g. 
> benchtop) pellet press. The mealy presscake still contains some of the oil 
> (think coffee grounds) and it pelletizes well without worry over moisture 
> content or having to use a binder.
> 
> 
> The pellets burn in a TLUD similar to wood or other pellets, at least by 
> visual observation and temperature recording. I have colleagues that have 
> tried to make cooking briquettes with jatropha seedcake and had a very smoky, 
> smouldery combustion. I believe there are concerns of some potentially toxic 
> emissions (phorbol esters, other compounds?). I have not tested the emissions 
> from TLUD charring jatropha pellets, but there was no visible smoke and the 
> gasifier seemed to operate fine as it does with other types of pellets. It 
> would be interesting to know if firing jatropha pellets in a TLUD destroys 
> the phorbol esters and other problematic compounds instead of emitting them.
> 
> 
> I first tried to char un-pelletized jatropha seedcake in the TLUD - because 
> it is mealy like coffee grounds no draft could get through and it was a total 
> fail - lots of smoke poured out! This brought the fire department to our 
> Colorado backyard during a fire ban. Whoops.
> 
> 
> Also FYI char made from TLUD jatropha pellets performed similar for herbicide 
> uptake from simulated natural water as chars made in the same way from pine 
> pellets, bagasse pellets, and bamboo pieces.
> 
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Jonathan Otto <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Otto,
>  
> Whole Jatropha seeds can be picked from hedges on-farm and used directly in 
> our jiko safi gasification stove without any further effort (except maybe for 
> some sun drying if harvested during a damp season) … the most decentralized, 
> efficient sustainable fuel system I can imagine.
>  
> Sure, urban jiko safi users will need to buy their fuel seeds, so a 
> commercial system for transport and retail sale of seed will be needed 
> eventually, likely mimicking some aspects of the charcoal trade. But it’s 
> just whole, unprocessed seed.
>  
> Concerning pelletized Jatropha fuel, I would like to understand the 
> advantages you find in going through the costs and effort (including energy 
> losses) of processing seeds to expel the oil, then probably milling the press 
> cake and shells (?) to uniform size/texture, then extruding or otherwise 
> forming the mixture into pellets, and finally distribute the fuel, some of 
> which will go back to the same farmers that grew the Jatropha seed in the 
> first place?
>  
> I know there are technical advantages to gasification of uniform-sized 
> pellets, but it seems to me that round or ovoid shaped seeds like Jatropha, 
> castor (I know, more poisons!), shea or croton megalocarpus provide this same 
> advantage, without going through the pelletization process.  What am I 
> missing?
>  
> Otto, the minor
>  
> P.S.  It's too late for me to retire 'on time'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:23:37 +0100
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> 
> Jonathan, 
> 
> 
> We have got some samples of pelletized jatropha shells and seeds from Zambia, 
> after the oil has been extracted and we feel that is the way forward.
> 
> 
> We will update you on the progress, so you will be albe to retire "on 
> time".................:)
> We are not so worried about PM in natural draft gasifiers, but thanks for the 
> concern.
> 
> 
> Otto........................
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:03:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> 
> Otto-
>  
> You 'would guess' wrong. 
>  
> 'We should be very careful advising people' about such unsupported 
> conclusions.
>  
> The challenges of gasifying oils found in seeds, notably the oils of Jatropha 
> seed, in a cookstove are far different from working with most pellets 
> formulations. 
>  
> I keenly look forward to news of your all-fuel stoves that will handle J 
> seeds, and the results of your tests. I sincerely hope you develop this soon, 
> so I can finally retire in peace.
>  
> Oh, and when you do tests, please include particulates in your emissions 
> testing, so we can finally end all this hand wringing about 'these types of 
> fuel'.
>  
> >From the cheeky other Otto,
>  
> Jonathan 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:23:48 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> 
> Dear stovers, 
> 
> 
> I would guess that "any" gasifier will burn jatropha seeds or pellets cleanly 
> and efficient, as long as the moisture content are less than 10%.
> 
> 
> We have in the pipeline to test a new design of natural draft gasifiers, 
> using jatropha seeds and pellets, for emmissions and toxcic fumes.
> 
> 
> We should be very carefull adviceing people using these types of fuel, before 
> it has been carefully tested by independent institutions.
> 
> 
> Have a nice weekend.
> 
> 
> Otto (not the famous one..........:)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:19:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha fruit as fuel?
> 
> 
> Dear Jonathan
>  
> I am interested in the general layout and dimensions of a stove that will 
> burn the seeds well. Are you sharing at this time anything regarding the 
> design?
>  
> Thanks
> Crispin
> 
> 
> ++++++++
>  
> 
> Dear Joyce and stovers all,
>  
> My regrets for not responding to this request 6 months ago.  I admit that it 
> got lost in my messy inbox which I have now reduced from 6000 messages to a 
> mere 2400, and in the process uncovered Joyce's email.
>  
> Burning Jatropha seeds whole or in briquettes in open cooking arrangements is 
> a bad idea.  It produces a smoky, smelly fire and probably exposes cooks to 
> toxic emissions.  I even question burning Jatropha oil in lamps in enclosed 
> areas for the same reason. Maybe others know of emissions studies.
> [snip]
> 
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