Dear Paul I was conected to the webinar las 7th about institutional stoves, and
I saw a sing in one of them that says CERTIFIED STOVE and I ask who certified
that stove, I have many tipes of stoves my self and run a basic WBT and I know
it work better than the open fire stove, but that´s only the beginning of the
game, who will verified what I´m saying, you have a good point, UCA in El
Salvador has testing equipmet from APROVECHO I live in El Salvador, I would
love know the process for university to have RECOGNITION to become a reliable
testing center, who certifies the certifiers.
I know that each of us does his best to improve combustion and efficiency of
our stoves, but someone has to give a second opinion somewhere, I know Zamorano
University in Honduran's hasgood testing team, but it is too far for me, what
the university of El Salvador can do to contact a certified testing center to
start a partnership and receive proper training? I was in México las August
atending a stakeholder and we talk about this issues seems that there is
interest but someone have to moove faster. I forwar copy to Ing. Ismael Sánches
who is in charge of the bioenergy department at UCA Universaidad Catoólica of
El Salvador in case someone whant´s to contact him. thank you
Best regard.................see you in Cambodia¡
Gustavo Peña
Inversiones Falcon
El Salvador
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From: Paul Anderson <[email protected]>
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <[email protected]>;
Ranyee Chiang <[email protected]>; Doc Anderson <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:21 AM
Subject: [Stoves] Stove testing worldwide (and NOT about procedures/protocols)
Dear Stovers, especially to the GACC leaders and Testing Centers,
(Sorry if my message is long, but if it is not important enough for you to read
it, you probably are not so serious about stove testing.) Ranyee, please
forward this to the directors of all the Testing Centers.
As we gather in 8 days in Cambodia for the GACC Forum, and with all of the
Testing Centers represented there, here are some questions (and comments and
requests) that I hope are addressed. In short, stove testing issues are not
just about protocols. It is also about the realities of getting tests done.
0. Preface: Let's start with positive recognition of the GACC and the
associated Testing Centers and their leaders for all of the hard work that is
being done about stove testing. THANK YOU!!! We know that many issues remain
un-resolved. But perhaps the questions below can be answered.
1. Please provide a full listing of ALL of the Test Centers, with indication
of what testing (efficiencies, CO, PM, safety, etc) each one actually can
conduct. It is hard to imagine that this does not already exist, so really I
am asking for a URL link if it exists. But this is just the starting point.
2. What is the cost (the price, the charges) for having each of those tests
done at each Testing Center? Estimates and ranges of fees are accepted
information. These Centers are to be independent of the companies that make
stoves, and they are financially assisted by the GACC. So who charges what
prices? Is there competitive bidding? Or are prices fixed by whom?
3. [ ALSO it would be interesting to know how many tests of which types are
actually conducted at each Center in 1 month or 6 months or yearly, but that is
perhaps prying too much into the operations of the Centers. Maybe one or two
centers could give us those numbers. But I suspect that the GACC that is
financing these Centers should require at least that much accountability from
each Center. If so, then perhaps some averages or ranges of numbers could be
shared, without naming the Centers. ]
4. And what arrangements are possible to have financial assistance to those of
us who would like to have stoves "tested" informally (to learn about how to
improve the stove) and formally (to have results that can be published.)??
Without financial assistance (as in a subsidy via the Testing Center that has
GACC assistance), the little guys will not afford the test costs, and the big
operations (and recipients of grants) will.
5. Because of the appropriate objectives of independent testing, and the need
for replication testing in multiple Test Centers, the costs will escalate.
What assistance is being arranged for this? NOTE: Everyone wants his/her stove
tested by Jim Jetter of the EPA. This is becoming the "diamond standard".
Great. But only if the stove gets accepted into the group to be tested, and
then the results take 1 to 2 years to be released because it is such a massive
task for one place to accomplish. ...
6. Meanwhile, where are any results from the other Testing Centers? Very few
and far between. Why? Partly because when a person or company pays to have a
stove tested (seems to be in most cases except via Jim Jetter and sometimes via
CSU with funding for testing), the stove owner controls the results. And it
seems that almost all of the owners are not sharing their results. We can say
"That's business." But were is the progress? So if the GACC financially
assists (supports) the Testing Centers, and especially if "subsidized testing"
can be offered, then there could be requirements that the Testing Centers could
release some or all of those results. Perhaps the stove name and the maker
name are not released. But at least we could know about Rockets and TLUDs and
charcoal and "fan-forced" and simple bucket-stoves and etc. Perhaps with some
further subdivisions so that, for example, poor charcoal stoves and the
advanced/improved charcoal
stoves are not lumped into one category. And encourage the stove maker to
agree to have the actual stove named if the stove is somewhat reasonable or
representative.
See many of you in Cambodia at the Forum.
Paul
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Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
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