To all,
I remember the Matrix to have columns at the right side to show
LPG/alcohol/solar, etc.
I am looking for it, but that was 4 years ago.
Paul
Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 4/8/2013 6:01 AM, Robert Fairchild wrote:
All,
Here it is as an attachment.
Bob
--- On *Mon, 4/8/13, Paul Anderson /<[email protected]>/* wrote:
From: Paul Anderson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs
Energy efficiency
To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Kevin" <[email protected]>, [email protected],
"Hugh McLaughlin" <[email protected]>, "Bob Fairchild"
<[email protected]>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 2:25 AM
Dear Kevin, Crispin and all,
We are in agreement.
"Stove Testing" is an expression that has different meaning to
different people. WBT is one of the tests of stoves. Just like
we want to have the Safety analysis reported.
Kevin's list of questions should be part of a Table of Stove
Characteristics that includes price, etc etc etc. I have
not seen such a table since I posted a Cookstove Matrix in March
2006. Here is the description and the link, but I cannot see the
actual matrix. Erin or Tom, can you find it?
http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/stove-matrix
Anyway, the point is that we need these kinds of consolidations of
the many factors.
Paul
Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
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On 4/8/2013 12:40 AM, Kevin wrote:
Dear Paul
I would like to suggest a different way of looking at things....
look at a stove through the eyes of the customer.
(The "Customer" is the person or Organization that pays the
Manufacturer for the Stove.)
The fundamental question should be: "What does the Customer want?"
Does the Customer want the stove to produce biochar?
Does the Customer want the stove to have the least fuel input to
accomplish a stated task?
Does the Customer want to minimize products of combustion vented
into the living space?
Does the Customer want the stove to provide a space heating
benefit for the stove user?
Does the Customer want a stove that requires extended burn times
between refuelling, and a minimum of attendance?
Does the Customer want a single firing rate throughout the burn,
OR, a "Two Level Firing Rate capability, OR a large range of
firing capabilities?
etc....
"Efficiency" is basically a measure of "Resource Input to
accomplish a desired task"
It is not the purpose of "testing" to promote a particular
technology or philosophy, but rather, to measure the
effectiveness of accomplishing a given task of importance to the
Customer..
"The Customer is the King." Proper Testing Protocols should allow
a Customer to test a range of stoves, under a variety of
circumstances, so that he will be able to select the stove that
best meets his requirements.
Best wishes,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Paul Anderson </mc/[email protected]>
*To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
</mc/[email protected]> ; Hugh
McLaughlin </mc/[email protected]> ; Bob
Fairchild </mc/[email protected]> ;
[email protected] </mc/[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 1:50 AM
*Subject:* [biochar] Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs Energy
efficiency
Dear Stovers and Biochar makers,
We are NOT sufficiently emphasizing that TLUDs/char-maker
stoves can use
fuel other than stick wood. When burning briquettes and
pellets and
cobs and shells (which most other stoves cannot burn very
well), we are
NOT burning tree-sourced fuel.
Crispin correctly says that a kg of wood in and pyrolyzed is
no longer
wood, and therefore is FUEL used, and that relates to FUEL
Efficiency.
TLUDs can consume more wood because they are converting some
of that
wood into charcoal. That is different from ENERGY efficiency,
which
can allow calculations for the energy in the charcoal that is
not used.
Especially in char-making stoves, energy efficiency is better
than the
fuel efficiency IF USING WOOD. But if the fuel is not wood,
then the
WOOD-FUEL efficiency is 100% (none was burned in the cooking
of the
meal), and the ENERGY efficiency might be very good, while
the FUEL
efficiency (burning ag residues, dung, etc) might be low in
comparison
with other stoves, but no trees were cut or burned.
About the above, there will need to be some education given
to the stove
community (including GACC and manufacturers and governments).
WHAT fuel
is burned does make a difference if FUEL efficiency is an
important
criteria when evaluating stoves.
Just because wood is the traditional fuel used in stove
testing does not
mean that stoves that can also burn OTHER biomass should be
judged on
the WOOD-FUEL efficiency calculations. For places like Haiti,
Rwanda,
and many large zones of numerous large countries, to be able
to cook
WITHOUT FOREST DEGRADATION should be a major reason for
choosing TLUD
stoves.
Having written about this here does not mean that the message
has
reached the decision makers and those who report test results on
cookstoves. And the makers of "stick-wood-burning stoves" are
unlikely
to want to tell this message to others.
Because the GACC is about stoves AND FUELS, I hope that proper
recognition can be given in the discussions and decisions
about the
stoves that can have 100% avoidance of cutting wood, if that
is important.
Paul
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