Paul, I very much second your point of view and lets bring this topic to a higher level and very much considering the small holder peasant in the developing countries. They have a much greater chance or possibility to avoid the problems produced by the western societies for decades. Its time to look forward and go ahead....................... Thanks. Otto Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 15:50:34 +0700 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene
The editorial board of the New York Times understands the problem quite well: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/opinion/sunday/climate-warnings-growing-louder.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130519 What is our response? Replacing bottled gas with syngas and enriching agricultural lands with biochar would be two very good places to start. Thanks. Paul Olivier On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Andrew C P I agree with you completely. There is plenty of room for civil discourse on complex topics that will take decades to understand. I have not considered the idea of conceit before, I viewed the attitude as arrogant self-righteousness because of the way people who dared question the priestcraft were labelled sinners, lost souls (etc). I am now a dyed-in-the-wool sceptic. When someone says they have a stove that performs like thus-and-such I immediately ask to see the protocol, the instrument list and the spreadsheet. What is happening with the Donors is they are starting to ask a lot more questions related to due diligence because a lot of money has been changing hands on pretty flimsy evidence much of which evaporates on contact. Sound familiar? Regards Crispin -----Original Message----- From: Stoves [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew C. Parker Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:25 AM To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene Ron, The term "denier" assumes existent truth or reality. While you obviously feel strongly that there is a preponderance of evidence and a consensus of opinion in your argument, neither the evidence nor the opinion warrant labeling those who disagree with you as deniers. It is the height of conceit to do so. Invoking the term "denier" in a post-WWII context also carries a highly pejorative connotation, equating one as capable of denying the Holocaust, and in its more recent use, as being somehow mentally and/or morally deranged. Using this term is insulting and has no place in a scientific discussion, or even a scientific argument. It certainly has not place being used on this list. I am not a denier of truth. I am a skeptic, but I am not a climate skeptic. The climate exists, it would be ludicrous for me to be skeptical of the climate. I am not skeptical of climate change. The climate changes all the time. I am not skeptical of global warming. The earth has been generally warming since the end of the Little Ice Age. I am not skeptical that we humans impact the climate. The earth has been profoundly changed by the smallest of organisms. I am skeptical about models that predict a catastrophic future because of burning fossil fuels. So, I don't mind if you call me a CAGW skeptic, but I will not accept you calling me, or anyone else who disagrees with you, a denier. Andrew Parker _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ -- Paul A. Olivier PhD 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong Dalat Vietnam Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam) Skype address: Xpolivier http://www.esrla.com/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
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