Dear Josh
I too hope you will consider the source: Burt Rutan. Dear Ron When you cant beat the science, beat the messenger. (It sometimes works). I notice, Ron that the rate of natural warming in the first period is faster than the second which also appears natural. You omitted to mention that the globe has been warming naturally for three centuries at the same rate (0.7°C/century) during the whole period covered by this chart. The 8000 year trend however, is down, as is probably well known from many studies and temperature reconstructions. Dear Andrew If you cannot control the contributors you might consider not allowing personal attacks. Netiquette usually requires that contributors refrain from making obvious personal attacks. While this group has been pretty loose, I feel it has reached the stage where it has become the habit of bullies to dry to attack the person of other contributors. Ron in particular seems unable to control his invective when he sees something for which he has is no other ready response. He and Paul O continuously try to make their views on AGW part of what is usually a discussion about stoves. While carbon funding is part and parcel of some stove programmes, that context is rarely included. It is obvious that the intent of the personal attacks is intimidation into silence. As I cannot be intimidated, it is not working and will not work. Thus we are left the possibility of implementing some sort of censure for those who choose a non-academic pattern of discourse . Either the topic is banned, or misbehaviour and uncivil conduct is banned. As it is entirely possible that emotions could run just as high over technical issues regarding measurements and ratings, stove classification and the levering of financial advantage, all issues with a potential to be poorly understood by some participants, the suggestion I am making is that if people want to continue to discuss climate issues outside the biochar list which was established as a place for that (apparently I do subscribe to sites with broader interests) then I see little choice but to impose external discipline where self-discipline is apparently lacking. As with climate data, the raw data from stove tests stands on its own. People are free to interpret it any way they like, but when it comes to making claims for performance, the ordinary rules of chemistry, physics and mathematics apply. Beliefs and personalities do not carry weight in a formula. May we all please concentrate on developing better stoves and test methods based on a good understanding of first principles. Regards Crispin
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