Rogerio and all,
30 to 40 cents US per Kg for charcoal is real money!!! Even at half
those prices (allowing for char fines and processing, etc), it is
still much money.
I estimate that a TLUD stove making charcoal could yield 250 to 350 kg
of actual carbon (or char with impurities). It is only logical that
the poor folks would opt to burn it.
The carbon credit folks, especially those wanting to sequester char
from stoves, have a loooooong way to go to complete.
Rogerio, I am in Brazil for the Rio conference. Will you be there?
Or where are you in Brazil? After Rio and Amazon excursion, I am back
in Sao Paulo from 19 to 23 Sept at contact number for Cassio: SP
4243 9699. Or we talk via email. What are you up to these days???
Paul
Quoting rogerio carneiro de miranda <[email protected]>:
Hello everyone:
I suggest that we make an effort to gather standard data on charcal price
around the world. We should be aiming to report it as US$/metric ton, so
that we can compare how charcoal prices vary from country to country, and
use to use.
Obviously there are diferences from large urban to small urban and rural
areas, as well for resale versus wholesale.
This past week I based on the charcoal index available at
http://www.charcoalproject.org/resources/charcoal-index/ I calculated that
roughly resale price in a couple of urban areas of Africa must be around
US$400/ton, while here in Brazil wholesale industrial charcoal is about
US$300/ton. As expected, poor people are paying more for charcoal than the
industrial users.
Lets agree on a format in how to report these data, and ask the stove list
menbers to report it, so that we can built a matrix with global charcoal
data.
Rogerio
2010/9/12 Richard Stanley <[email protected]>
Paul, Crispin et al,
I do not have any hold of international pricing for charcoal, only specific
community pricing, as this assessment is being done routinely by the
trainers or should be, before accepting a training contract.
In our local area here in Southern Oregon, based on a look at braii/ bbq
charcoal pillow type briquette costs in the local supermarket:
its 88 US cents per pound in 12 to 13.5 pound sacks, and drops to 65 us
cents per pound bought in 17 to 18 pound sacks...
The holey briquette using usul blend of the usual leaves grasses stras
waste paper and a dash of waste charcoaol fines as produced in the third
world sells for a high of 5 cents for a 140 gram briquette...Thats 454/140
X.05 = 16 US cents a pound. Assuming about 95% of the cost is labor, At
$3.00/person/day. and given no change in technology of scale of economies ,
they could be produced here in Obamaland, for $12.00 a day .
Technical improvements are a foot which will likely double of the
efficiency of hand production methods, but for what its worth, although the
current energy input cost for producing the briquette is far lower in the
third world (~3.6 watts/kg of hand-produced product), it seems we are not
really competitive in the states at least with the hand processes.
Will be curious to see what you learn in Brazil, Paul...
Cao
Richard Stanley
www.legacyfound.org
BEtter stay where we are at for manual pressing at least...
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
> Deal Paul
>
> Was that list the purchase price or production cost? If we asked Tom
Miles nicely I think he could give us a production cost for more than one
method.
>
> The reason I ask is that if the production cost is far below the local
retail price one can imagine affecting the market.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
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> Subject: [Stoves] Summary of cost of charcoal?
>
> Stovers,
>
> A few months ago there was a discussion collecting data on the cost of
> charcoal purchased around the world for charcoal stoves.
>
> Was there a summary or final report or general data from that discussion?
>
> Please direct me to it, or send it if you have it separately.
>
> I am going to the Biochar conference in Rio on Sunday and I think that
> the cost of charcoal data might be interesting to have.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
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