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I concur - ban smoking, dump WalMart; local control in St Paul, not in various corporate headquarters. I share popman's view of capitalism. He has a variant, "crapitalism". This emphasizes C as a (very) brown field. He has overlooked other possibilities: clapitalism - C as a social disease chapitalism - C practiced by Brits; a skin sore; both together cwapitalism - Elmer Fudd's version of C --David Shove roseville On Wed, 12 May 2004, popman wrote: > Smoking Ban? You Betcha! > > > > Long have I argued against the word: "Freedom" or any > of it's variants, i.e.: free speech. Simply because it > doesn't exist. > > Of course, governments are there to govern. What that > really means is that it rations out the so-called > "freedoms". > > You have no "rights" either. The police can stop you > from going to the polls, therefore, you have no "right > to vote". Many Floridians faced this in the last > presidential election. > > > Freedoms are, what amounts to a privilege to smoke, > until the public denies said privilege. > > > Tim Erickson is wrong when he says that this group is > about issues and not about each other for the same > reasons it's not about government. It's an idea that > really should be banned along with smoking. > > It's not about issues, it's about people and moreover, > it's about the people who run / ruin government. It's > about time that we starting calling it �like it is. > It's really a war between common sense, correct people > and the evil capitalists. > It's time to start naming names and pointing fingers. > It's time to draw the line in the sand and get it on. > Government is a great thing, unfortunately, most of > the people who run it aren't so great� anymore, with > exceptions like John Marty of Roseville. > > When it comes to a smoking ban, our leaders shouldn't, > with the mountain of evidence available, shouldn't > think twice about banishment of the cigarette in any > place, including one's own home. They should ban > cigarettes state-wide. We do it with fireworks, so why > not cigarettes? I know that the naysayers will whine: > "but you still see and hear them on the 4th of July. > See�you can't banned things." > > My answer is that you wouldn't hear 'em if the > government was allowed to do it's job without the > accompanying duty to promote crapitalism. We do a > pretty damm good job with child pornography. We banned > public bath houses. See any of them around the city? > Incidentally, weren't they banned for health reasons > as was the stated case against fireworks? Isn't that > the same premise being used to ban smoking??? If your > going to demand a privilege to smoke, then by the same > stroke of the gubernatorial pen, open the bath houses > too! Let's have some consistency here. > > In other countries, things are routinely "banned". For > example, in Europe, U.S. meat is banned! It's not > allowed simply because it's a health hazard. Results: > Europeans don�t ingest cancer causing meat imported > from the U.S. They live just as long and their quality > of life is much better than ours.Same was done with > the idea of drinking and driving. In other countries, > you don't drink and drive, period. > Can the government stop you from drinking and driving? > If they did it right, the government could stop it > cold in it's tracks, but when well intention "correct" > people start to do so, up pops the evil of capitalism > and thusly, compromises common sense and ruins the > day. > > > > The government job IS to protect us, not from > ourselves, but from overwhelming crapitalistic > interests taking advantage of us in the marketplace. > We shouldn't have to compromise our health for the > sake of crapitalistic interests. If we have one and > only one "right", it should be: Our own health without > CAPITALISTIC INTERFERENCE! > > There are a lot of other things that should be banned > simply because it's no damm good for you: U.S. meat, > Wal-Mart, McDonalds, the forty hour workweek, > religion, corporate unions and competitive > professional sports. The list goes on and in the end, > we will find the best thing we can do for ourselves is > to ban, the root of all this evil: capitalism. > > We should be in the streets DEMANDING that our health > and welfare be taken out of the hands of the ever > intrusive and exploitative capitalists! > > > > R. Hanson. > A reasonable voice in St. Paul. > _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
