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No, John, YOU are decent, and YOU have common sense - thanks for
propagating this smoke-free business trend. Dave is/does, too, generally,
but Bomb the Ban, Brother. What's wrong with a "Smoking Ordinance"
instead? Recall:
The Wind and the Sun
The Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger.
Suddenly they saw a traveller coming down the road, and the Sun
said: "I see a way to decide our dispute. Whichever of us can
cause that traveller to take off his cloak shall be regarded as
the stronger. You begin." So the Sun retired behind a cloud, and
the Wind began to blow as hard as it could upon the traveller.
But the harder he blew the more closely did the traveller wrap his
cloak round him, till at last the Wind had to give up in despair.
Then the Sun came out and shone in all his glory upon the
traveller, who soon found it too hot to walk with his cloak on.
Kindness effects more than severity.
from
http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?srch&fabl/TheWindandtheSun
"Good morning, folks, welcome! Let me remind you the designated smoking
area is through that back door, next to the dumpsters. Please use the
ash-can provided, don't fraternize with the cooks, and enjoy your meal!
It's a pleasure to serve you, and please let me know if there's anything I
can do, such as disinfecting the furniture since that last disgustingly ill
family was here, or replacing that table cloth I saw that new dad use to
wipe his baby's snot, or using this handy-dandy UV germicidal lamp to zap
the little nasties off the pen and credit card holder thingie, or anything
else you may think is making you sick or grossing you out, you be sure to
let me know, okie dokie?!"
As for the the wait staff, they should get hazard pay (minimum wage times
the life expectancy of a non-smoker divided by the life expectancy of a
smoker) for working the smoking section and be supplied with respirators
like they do here where I have chosen to work.
As for the analogies, Andy, I can't speak for anyone else, but those of us
in The Silly Party do it just to bug ya. ;-) (That post was under 5,000
words so I actually read that one. I shouldn't type...)
As for
"He'd never be so shallow as to jump into gay rights
and evil corporation bashing just to buy back his
progressive credentials from the crew he had tick'd
off in his first couple of months. Nah, not Dave,"
Dave was "hired" to champion gay rights and bash evil corporations, and he
knows more about what he's doing than any of his critics. We can't always
predict what he will do next, which is part of the fun, be we know that
whatever it is it will be because he truly feels in his heart that it is
the right thing to do. He does what he does for the people and for their
world and is not out for personal gain, unlike other, more Norm-al
politicians in the recent past. I like to call him Ab-Norm al-Harli, the
Irvine Guerilla. Just 'cause he's got his butt up his head in this case
doesn't make him an ass-kisser. Brown-noser, maybe... But shallow is not
a Thunjective. No one can accuse Dave of not listening to all sides of an
issue or of wanting to be President (of the Federation, I mean, of course).
AMH
Fort Smelling Road
PS Cigarette smoke not only stinks, but it contains deadly components that
cannot be detected by the human nose (I think I might be making that up,
though...). As we discover in the cave, CO is deadly and odorless. Such
is most likely the case with certain West End emissions - smelly things
might not be indicative of deadly things, but deadly things that you don't
smell will certainly kill you.
PPS If you healthy-types really want a smoke-free place to go, just get
300 of you from this List to send me $1,000 (that's Three HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS!) and I will try to re-open Phil's Place/Mildred Pierce. This is
assuming a full-liquor license is available for free. And that you will
spend a minimum of $50/month there. We'll call it The Iron Lung or
something... Breathe Deep... Fresh Of Breath Air... Air Apparent... O2
Drink With Thee Again... Airheads United... American Airheads... Get
Fresh, Stay Fresh... Gee, Your Clothes Smell Terrific!... The Pink
Uvula... Whitey's... Come on, put your money where your lungs are and
start the world's first pollution-free urban ethanol emporium. The
bathroom should probably be moved outside. Next to the Potting Shed.
Andrew M. Hine
Corporate Research Materials Laboratory
3M Center 201-1W-28
St. Paul MN
55144-1000
USA
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We also decided to be smoke free when we opened our coffee shop almost four
years ago. I dunno, maybe we did it because we support a "gay agenda" or
we're seeking some form of revenge against stadium-backers. But I thought
we
did it for both health and marketing reasons. I know we haven't regretted
it
and Dave Thune's proposal looks like common sense and decency toward
non-smokers from here.
Jon Kerr
West Side
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> As a coffee shop owner, we made the decision from day 1 to be smoke free
> - and both owners smoke. We did this out of pure respect for the health
> of our customers. Even though I smoke, I applaud and support this ban in
> St. Paul and hope that Minneapolis and Bloomington are smart enough to
> follow suit. I only smoke when I know that I am not bothering someone
> else - i.e. outside or in my car when I'm alone. If I have others in the
> car, I ASK them before I light up. If I choose to smoke - fine. But I
> should not force others to inhale my smoke in the process.
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> I sincerely hope that this thing gets passed. If it does, maybe this
> time I will be successful in quitting this disgusting habit. Every time
> I have quit in the past there has been one common denominator associated
> with my starting again - you guessed it - bars. If our St. Paul bars
> were non-smoking (like in Los Angeles or New York) perhaps we would have
> more and more people that would successfully quit. And if I chose to
> continue smoking, I will at least have to be reminded of how horrible it
> is for my health every January as I step outside to have a heater.
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> Paul Skrbec
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> West 7th resident and business owner
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