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May 3rd at Harding High * May 4th at Humboldt High Info: http://www.e-democracy.org/stpaul/chief.html -------------------------------------------------- Lee - Again, thanks for the clarification. If that is the case, you are probably correct. I have not checked either if the NFL have registered lobbyists. But I had been under the assumption that the ticket offer came from the Wild and not the NFL. - Dan --- Lee Helgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to correct the facts. > > The offer to purchase tickets to the NHL All Star > Game was made by the > NHL, not the Minnesota Wild. I believe that the NHL > is not a lobbyist > principal in Minnesota. > > > Lee Helgen > Councilmember - Ward 5 > > > > > >>> "David Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 05/04/04 08:16 AM >>> > -------------------------------------------------- > Last Chance to Offer Input On New Chief of Police! > > May 3rd at Harding High * May 4th at Humboldt High > Info: http://www.e-democracy.org/stpaul/chief.html > -------------------------------------------------- > > > It was a bad decision by the Board. > > Here is what they said. > > Yes,the Board acknowledged that the Wild were > registered lobbyist > principals this year. However, the Wild came in > and said that they no > longer have lobbyists and that they spent less than > the $500 required to > be considered a lobbyist principal. Thus, based on > these two facts, > they gift did not count!! > > The Board got it wrong. I think it is immaterial > whether they spent > the $500 or have lobbyists. They are registered as > a principal and that > is all that matters. > > However, it is unlikely the Board will accept the > mayor's claim that > the city council can accept gifts via a city council > vote. I smashed > that argument pretty solid. Also, note I did not > file under MN stat. > 471 which makes gifts from interested parties > illegal. Gaertner will > not enforce the law, leaving it up to the city > attorney to do so. > > > > David Schultz, Professor > Hamline University > Graduate School of Public > Administration and Management > MS-A1740 > 1536 Hewitt Avenue > St. Paul, Minnesota 55104 > 651.523.2858 (voice) > 651.523.3098 (fax) > > >>> Dan Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/01/04 04:32PM > >>> > I saw the article in the PP that Dave Schultz's > second > complaint against the mayor and two City Council > members for accepting Wild tickets had been > dismissed > and quite frankly I am baffled. I researched this > VERY > ISSUE, before Mr. Schultz and I filed our previous > complaint against the Mayor, for his flight to > Denver > on a private jet last year and there was clear > evidence that the Minnesota Wild have lobbyists. > > Pulling out my research I found that the Wild, or > entities there of, clearly are registered as > lobbyists > at the State. First there is; > > Minnesota Hockey Inc. > Identification Number: 5517 > 317 Washington St > St Paul, MN 55102 > > Lobbyists Registered Registration > Joel Carlson 8692 2/14/03 > > Then there is: > Minn Hockey Ventures Group > Identification Number: 4661 > 317 Washington St > St Paul, MN 55102-1609 > > Lobbyists Registered Registration > Timothy T Welch 8947 2/26/98 3/19/04 > > 317 Washington Street, is the address of the > Minnesota > Wild. Two lobbyists for Hockey are registered there. > It appears to me that the Wild have not one, but two > lobbying arms. > > I think the State Campaign Finance and Disclosure > Board really blew this one. Why is Dave Schultz's > and > my first Complaint now at the Court of Appeals, when > this one was dismissed. > > I fail to see the distinction. > > Daniel D. Dobson > Summit Hill - Saint Paul > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:22:46 -0500 > From: John Birrenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [StPaul] Not a "Lobbiest" Mayor & Council > get > off > To: St Paul Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Well the mayor and a couple members of the Council > got > off over the NHL All star game and the nice tickets > they got access to gratis the Wild Owners. Why > cause > the Wild and it's owners are not "Lobbiest" under > the > definition of the law. > > Well that just about opens the door pretty wide > doesn't it? > > Well, I am not a lobbiest either according to the > definitions of the State Law s I guess if I can > afford it I can buy a council member or even the > Mayor... a few perks here few perks there.... No > Problem.. > > Any member of the Council or Mayor who is looking > for > FREE COFFEE anytime they need it... so long as we > get > to keep doing what ever it is we want (ie GSE types > of > illegal activity) and never have to fear the City or > its inspectors.... Just sign here and COFFEE IS > FREE, > (well if you want to pay for it out of campaign > funds > that is fine too). > > How the State Campaign Finance Board couldn't figure > out the the owners of the WILD who are lobbying all > the time but are not a "Lobbiest" is beyond me. > > -- > Sincerely, > John Birrenbach > W 7th Neighborhood, St Paul MN > > Political & Business Consulting > === Focusing on Internet Technologies === > http://www.birrenbach.com/ > === Web Hosting for Candidates and Issues === > http://209.98.144.66/ > === Harmony Cedar Quality Amish Products === > http://www.harmonycedar.com > ====================================== > "Six years on the council has trained me to feign > interest for long > periods of time" > Chris Coleman Jan 21, 2004 > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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