-------------------------------------------------------------- Just a reminder! Absolutely no more than two posts per day. -------------------------------------------------------------- > [Original Message] > From: Tom & Elsa Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Guy Western called one side asking a question "wondering"
Umm, 'cuz that's kinda WHAT HE SAID. <BobT wrote:> "When I saw this, I wondered if her exposure to second hand smoke in bars may have had something to do with it." > and another side asking questions "innuendo". And that's because another side didn't contribute any facts whatsoever. I repeat, the only facts here are those contributed by Mr. Treumann: Julitta McFarlane earned her living working in bars and restaurants and died tragically young of heart disease which is a proven consequence of exposure to second hand smoke. Unless and until someone contributes any additional facts, those are all we have to apply our common sense to. Insinuating a lot of ideological assumptions in response does nothing but cloud the discussion in lieu of any real contribution. - Guy Western the West Side > [Original Message] > From: Tom & Elsa Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: stpaul forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 7/11/04 7:44:32 PM > Subject: [StPaul] re: Singers death and smoking ban? > > "Mr. Treumann was just wondering. I don't think that betrays any ingrained > ideology. If Mr. Thompson wants to address these other questions, perhaps > he could find out something factual about them for all of us instead > introducing them as innuendo." > > > Maybe Mr Treumann could have found out the facts before "wondering", just as I could have before I introduced "innuendo". However, I don't see an admonishment of his statement. Engrained ideology? Seems both of us asked questions, however, you only questioned one side. Guy Western called one side asking a question "wondering" and another side asking questions "innuendo". That enhances my point on engrained ideology better than I could. Thank you. > > Tom Thompson > Como Park > > Wondering when common sense will come back to St Paul > > > > Original message: > > > [Original Message] > > From: Tom & Elsa Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > <BobT wrote:> "When I saw this, I wondered if her exposure to > > second hand smoke in bars may have had something to do with it." > > > > > Shows the engrained ideology; what about her eating habits, was she > > > obese, was she prone genetically, was she just plain unlucky? > > Mr. Treumann was just wondering. I don't think that betrays any ingrained > ideology. If Mr. Thompson wants to address these other questions, perhaps > he could find out something factual about them for all of us instead > introducing them as innuendo. After all, that's the reason we like to have > "both sides" of any argument represented here. Pertinent facts are one > thing, but I have some moral qualms about making unfounded insinuations > about the deceased. > > The *fact* remains, Julitta MacFarlane earned her living as a bar & > restaurant employee and she died tragically of heart disease at a very > early age. It's an on-point, local example of the very same and specific > reason that Councilman Thune raised this issue in the City Council. > > > Not that I have any love for the owners of bars, bars and alcohol have > > caused more misery than smoking every will. However, remember this > > slippery slope. First it was guns and lawsuits against manufacturers, > > then cigarettes, now bars, what's next? McDonalds, Burger King? > > Already under way. And we wonder why the cost of products is > > going up so fast. > > Safe products cost more than unsafe products. Safe workplaces cost more > than unsafe ones. It's the reason that rampant free-marketeering is > unacceptable. If the utopian free market were permitted to regulate itself > in this respect, those consumers who select cheaper, unsafe products would > eventually die off, thereby reducing the demand for unsafe products and > selecting in favor of safe products. Great for the bargain hunters who > survive! The free market has healed itself, but at the cost of > significantly reduced population. The trouble is, the market only regards > death as a reduction in the demand side which produces downward pressure on > prices. I don't have any resentments against bar & restaurant owners, it's > just that it takes humane influences to regulate the free market to truly > serve human needs. Adam Smith himself acknowledged that in his *other* > book, "The Theory of Moral Sentiments". > > The optimal way to introduce humane regulation into the market is to do it > in such a way as to maintain a level playing field for competing small > businesses. That's why I'm bending over backwards to give Mayor Kelly the > benefit of the doubt in bringing about the promised regional solution. > > Guy Western > tapping my foot on the West Side > _____________________________________________ > To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _____________________________________________ > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > Archive Address: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ _____________________________________________ To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
