Re: [StPaul] voter #15 in my precinct

[Michelle Hoffman]

Don't sweat it Cristy. Some characters like to incite things and the 
winky face at the end is a dead give-away.

Michelle Hoffman
West Side St. Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 5:31 AM, Cristy DeLaCruz wrote:
Wow. I'm just sitting here shocked at the misogynist implications of 
this post. Shocked. But don't worry - I won't cry about it here on the 
public forum.

I had no idea my gentle post imploring people to vote even if "for or 
against" an unopposed incumbent would provoke such a strong negative 
response from a few. It was gratifying to read several affirmative 
responses as well.

I'm temporarily speechless (even more shocking to many of you, I know) 
so I will give some thought to making a response or just setting this 
aside without dignifying it with any direct response.

Cristy
Highland Park
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Tester
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:12 PM
To: Pam Ellison; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [StPaul] voter #15 in my precinct
Yeah, but was she in Vietnam?  I thought that was a prerequisite these 
days.
Look, I've lived in St. Paul all my life and I know that the 4th 
district
congressional seat is reserved for democrat party hacks who keep the 
seat
for as long as they want it.  I can live with that as long as the dems
remain in the minority in congress.  No harm, no foul.  And her GOP
challenger (Patrice what's-her-face) is certainly no one to write home
about, so my comments are not a campaign message.  I just think it's
laughable that anyone would consider "Bett'ee" a serious player in the
scheme of things and attempt to give her any kind of disingenuous 
credit for
her abilities.  She's in a safe seat and she's been awarded by the 
party
with life-time employment because she was a good soldier in the Vento 
camp.
My only point is that she's done nothing to earn my respect and from 
what
I've seen so far, she never will.  So what?  But I would never want to
debate Betty.  I don't like seeing women cry.

;-)
Dennis Tester
Mac-Groveland


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pam Ellison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dennis Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [StPaul] voter #15 in my precinct


I believe that Mr. Tester and others who lack any respect for the 
choice
of
the people is the first thing I would like to address.  Ms. McCollum 
got
into office because the majority of her constituency voted for her.

Secondly, there are many people in office that will not get my vote 
this
election year, however, the choice of the people should always be
respected.
It isn't like Ms. McCollum does not have the education or the 
expertise or
experience by holding other offices to not be qualified to run and 
hold
office.  As far as what types of jobs she has held in the past, I 
find Mr.
Tester's demeaning tone quite remarkable.  That one would show their 
lack
of
understanding so blatantly for all of the citizens on this forum to
behold.
Most people who have not worked a variety of jobs lack a basic
understanding
and empathy for those who have.  I think the fact that Ms. McCollum 
worked
in retail is a great asset.  I have worked in retail, and I would 
state
that
most everyone who frequents this list has worked in retail.  This
experience
makes her uniquely qualified to understand that the retail world is 
the
final frontier where lack of health insurance, and other benefits 
permeate
the workplace.

To not honor good, hard and honest work, whether it be retail, or 
someone
that hauls away our garbage or repairs our roads, or cleans out our 
public
restrooms and workplaces, smacks of ignorance and elitism.  All work 
that
is
honest should be honored and respected.
I would guess the next thing we will hear about from Mr. Tester is 
that a
woman can't do the job as well as a man can.

In case that is true, I would just like to reaffirm that we are no 
longer
in
the Jurassic Age.
Ms. McCollum is doing an honorable job, and as long as her 
constituency
thinks the same thing, I would imagine she will be in Washington.  
Those
that have the courage to run against her have that right and should be
applauded.  Those naysayers that seem to be armchair judges these days
should try running themselves.  It is the hardest job you will ever 
do.

Mr. Tester, seeing you seem to have all the time in the world to
criticize,
you must have wonderful solutions that Ms. McCollum has not tapped 
yet.

However, I don't see your name on the ballot.
Pamela Ellison
Como Park
Saint Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: [StPaul] voter #15 in my precinct

Cristy De La Cruz wrote: "Since I highly approve of the work 
McCollum is
doing..."
Which is ...
Betty's lucky she's a democrat in a safe seat because she hasn't done
diddly squat for this district.  I suppose it's as much as could be
expected, since her last job was clerking at Dayton's.  She's just 
going
to
float through the rest of her political life, living large on
congressional
pay and occasionally giving the standard partisan speech just to 
remind
her
supporters that she's still in D.C.  What a pathetic replacement for 
Bruce
Vento.

Dennis Tester
Mac-Groveland


----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:10:15
It's so important to cast a vote. If you do not,
you are effectively
endorsing the incumbent, which may be fine if
you're happy with the work
they are doing. However, if you do not favor the
incumbent, you should enter
a "blank" vote at minimum to register your
disapproval.
Since I highly approve of the work McCollum is
doing, and most of the stands
she takes, I felt it important to affirm her
candidacy. It's also an
education in the 4 other people who are running,
since I am generally out of
the loop on other parties and I always find it
interesting to see who else
is on the ballot.
Cristy De La Cruz
Highland Park resident &
With frequent voter miles... wouldn't that be an
interesting promotion?
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