Michelle Hoffman wrote:
My noise monitoring equipment is in the same place it has been for 4 years toronto & palace. < 300 ft. NNW of GSEArno,
Do you have any noise equipment now? over here on the West Side on Concord Street we are listening to a very high pitched whine of a huge tub grinder that eats trees whole. It's the kind that has to be moved on an 18 wheeler...huge.
The noise is intolerable and LIEP won't enforce.
not a surprise there, and something people should pay attention to if the airport expands. Who will represent the peoples interest to peace and quite?
Any ideas?
the only way is to monitor the noise yourself, and file a civil lawsuit. Might as well name LIEP as a codefendant. Make sure you know the answer to the critical question 'what is chronic noise violation'. Our great city attorney certianly didn't show us the way, and the city coucil certianly isn't try to clarify it for us. Once you can prove that it might be better to let the nieghbors involved go for small claims court, one at a time vs all togehter in a class action suit. Death of a thousand cuts vs big bang.
Michelle Hoffman fighting indutry on the river and LIEP on the West Side On Apr 8, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Arno A. Karner wrote:
With what appears to be a done (bend us over) deal with airport expansion, and MAC (metro airport comm) balking on all their previous promises for sound proofing homes. MPLS, Richfield, Egan are taking MAC to court to make them pay up. Is it any wonder why they want to expand here in St. Paul, we have such a great record, fighting noise.
One of the problems we will face trying to get any thing out of MAC is how much has the airport expansion hurt the neighborhoods. In order to answer that question, we need to figure out flight paths, current, and for any expansion runways they plan to add, and get some noise data of the before picture, so we stand a better chance of showing what kind of damage this thing is going to cause / caused in the future.
So does anybody have any maps, know of any maps, plans for this airport expansion. We certainly can't wait for LIEP (Lic inspection env protection), MN PCA (Minnesota pollution control agency) to do any of these back ground noise test. LIEP will be to busy measuring my grass height / length to worry about measuring noise for background tests.
Cheap sound measuring equipment that meets legal specifications can be purchased for about 200 - 300 dollars a piece, I can provide data collection software that will run on an old PC running Linux and an SQL (std query lang) data base. The more base line data we have the better. The more time we have to pick good monitoring locations that don't offer the oposision to make great comments like the noise must be blowing over from 35E, Mars, solar winds etc.
Pro Bono Mediators need not apply, Pro bono Lawyers, zealous paralegals welcome.
Arno A. Karner
West 7th st. < 300 ft. NNW of GSE (at least with GSE in limbo still, I can hear the planes, trains, and automobiles vs a constant hum)
I haven't stopped my noise monitoring, I measure DBa, DBc (decibels weighted to the A scale, and the C scale) the data I have goes all the way back to Nov 2000 gee thats just one month after I noticed my permanent hearing damage, wonder where I got the motivation from, My total out lay in cost for the long term project less than I've paid in stupid fines, and excessive use fines, and processing fees for excessive use fees thats right (Processing fees on excessive use taxes) talk about over the top, or below the belt. Welcome to St. Paul
http://tnss.com/noise_stink/
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