That sounds right-on to me, Tim.
-BD aka RJ
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Fennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Stripes Development List <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:33:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Stripes-dev] clean URLs
My take on this is that Stripes should prefer friendly URLs if they
are configured. To generalize this a bit, let's assume we continue
to use @UrlBinding, and I'll give some examples of how I think this
should work:
#1 UrlBinding("/foo/{$event}/${date}")
#1a desc: vanilla clean URL
params: event->view, date->2007-05-26
url: /foo/view/2007-05-26
#1b desc: clean url with additional param
params: event->view, date->2007-05-26, keyword=mac
url: /foo/view/2007-05-26?keyword=mac
#1c desc: first param not provided
params: date->2007-05-26, keyword=mac
url: /foo?date=2007-05-26&keyword=mac
So, to generalize, I'd expect a strategy something like the following
to construct a URL from a UrlBinding:
1: take everything to the left of the first parameter
2: from right to left, for params in the /path/, if the next
parameter has a value supplied, insert into the path, else goto #3
3: write remaining parameters as a regular query string
Does this sound reasonable to everyone? Or am I missing a case?
-t
On May 28, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Kai Grabfelder wrote:
> Hm,
>
> I don't see why I want to change the URLBinding if I add a new
> property to my action bean. Property Binding in the normal way
> (QueryString parameter) should always be possible as well.
>
> Whenever an application goes to production URLBindings should not be
> changed anyway because for the sake of SEO and user friendly URLs
> should hardly never ever change.
>
> Of course you are right, that clean urls are not that necessary for
> intranets but as long as they mean not any extra work they still
> could be used imo...
>
> cheers
>
> Kai
>
>
> --- Original Nachricht ---
> Absender: VANKEISBELCK Remi
> Datum: 28.05.2007 13:53
>> Well, it has side effects actually...
>>
>> For example, when you add a property to your action and want it
>> bound,
>> you have to get back to your @UrlBinding and change what's in
>> there...
>> Also, depending on the usage of your action bean, you may have
>> different parameter expectations that would not be usable with clean
>> URLs, as the parameters are "frozen" in the @UrlBinding.
>>
>> IMO, clean URLs are a requirement that everybody doesn't have. I
>> never
>> use them when building intranets for example, as the app is not
>> supposed to be crawled by search engines, and anyway the URLs are too
>> complex to be "clean" (dynamic parameters and the like).
>> So for folks like you who need this on all their GETs, maybe a config
>> param for <s:link/url> would be ok ? So that when you ask for a link
>> or url in your page, then the clean url is used. Otherwise, in
>> case of
>> POSTs and when you specifically tell Stripes that the url doesn't
>> have
>> to be clean, the ugly one is used.
>>
>> What do you think ?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Remi
>>
>> On 5/26/07, Newman, John W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I personally think clean should be the default, or even the only
>>> way to do it. I will certainly use this 100% of the time, I
>>> can't see any reason to use an ugly url if the facility to build
>>> a clean one is that easy to use.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf
>>> of Ben Gunter
>>> Sent: Sat 5/26/2007 10:35 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stripes Development List
>>> Subject: Re: [Stripes-dev] clean URLs
>>>
>>> I want to say it should require a separate annotation, but I
>>> can't come
>>> up with a good reason why. I guess that means we should just use
>>> @UrlBinding.
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>> VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:
>>>> Hi Kai (and other UrlBinding fans ;-P),
>>>>
>>>> Well, it's true that my own version works like you describe, and
>>>> it's fine...
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, frankly speaking I don't really know. You folks seem to be
>>>> right
>>>> : why another annotation when one is enough ? Clarity ? Well,
>>>> finally
>>>> you'd also notice the "clean" thingy at first glance, based on
>>>> what's
>>>> inside @UrlBinding...
>>>>
>>>> Ben ? What's your take on this ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Remi
>>>>
>>>> On 5/25/07, Kai Grabfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still wondering why anybody wants to specify multiple url
>>>>> annotations at one bean? I tend to agree with Barry that just ony
>>>>> URLBinding (may it be "clean" or not) annotation is enough. Other
>>>>> frameworks (for example symfony) do it this way as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> A "clean" url may not be necessary for POST requests / forms but
>>>>> it's not bad either, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Kai
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Original Nachricht ---
>>>>> Absender: VANKEISBELCK Remi
>>>>> Datum: 25.05.2007 16:30
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Barry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it's only an additional feature : the existing
>>>>>> @UrlBinding +
>>>>>> everything related is already fine and we don't want to change
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> The "beanclass" stuff would just use either @UrlBinding or
>>>>>> @CleanUrl,
>>>>>> depending on what you ask,, e.g. :
>>>>>> <s:form beanclass="..."> -> uses regular UrlBinding as FORMs
>>>>>> usually
>>>>>> don't need to be "clean"
>>>>>> <s:link beanclass="..."> -> uses CleanUrl as links are
>>>>>> supposed to be
>>>>>> clean if the bean class has the @CleanUrl annotation, unless you
>>>>>> specify e.g. clean="false".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, adding this to the existing @UrlBinding, it would make the
>>>>>> annotation more complex, without being really more convenient :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @UrlBinding(value="/my/stuff.action", clean="/my/stuff/{p1}/...")
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> @UrlBinding("/my/stuff.action")
>>>>>> @CleanUrl("/my/stuff/{p1}/...")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second option looks more readable and expressive to me...
>>>>>> And once
>>>>>> again @CleanUrl is a feature you want to add to your action
>>>>>> bean, so
>>>>>> having it as a separate annotation is OK as far as I see.
>>>>>> Annotate to
>>>>>> add features, that sticks to the Stripes spirit if I'm right :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/25/07, Barry Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All these ideas are making me very much look forward to using
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> feature--the ideas seem very promising. My knee-jerk
>>>>>>> responses would be to
>>>>>>> want classic-urls and clean-urls to both be configured using
>>>>>>> @UrlBinding.
>>>>>>> Can you have multiple @UrlBinding annotations for a single
>>>>>>> ActionBean right
>>>>>>> now? I thought you couldn't so that a beanclass uniquely
>>>>>>> implies a URL in
>>>>>>> all cases. If we're going to change the thinking behind
>>>>>>> that, we might as
>>>>>>> well go whole-hog and allow any number of classic-url or
>>>>>>> clean-url bindings,
>>>>>>> with one being the default and the others being able to be
>>>>>>> selected by name,
>>>>>>> or some such. What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -BD aka RJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: VANKEISBELCK Remi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> To: Tim Fennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Cc: Stripes Development List
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:53:35 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Stripes-dev] clean URLs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I see it, an additional annotation is OK. It's a
>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>> feature that you add to your action bean, so it's worth it IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, I second Tim's point on s:link/url.
>>>>>>> Another tag
>>>>>>> isn't necessary (and could be confusing), and I think we can
>>>>>>> rework
>>>>>>> the existign tags so that they handle this.
>>>>>>> You would then write your links and urls the same way, and
>>>>>>> configure
>>>>>>> which method you prefer as an attribute or as a global
>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>> setting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <s:link beanclass=".." clean="true"> // throws exception if
>>>>>>> bean
>>>>>>> doesn't have @CleanUrl
>>>>>>> my stuff
>>>>>>> <s:link param .../>
>>>>>>> </s:link>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/25/07, Tim Fennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben: I very much like your approach. The only thing I'll
>>>>>>>> say is that
>>>>>>>> having different annotations and link tags makes sense for
>>>>>>>> an add-on,
>>>>>>>> but when we integrate this to the core - I'd love to see
>>>>>>>> this "just
>>>>>>>> work" with s:link and s:url. The annotation - maybe it does
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> sense to keep that separate? I'm probably not the best
>>>>>>>> judge of how
>>>>>>>> people will want to use this stuff ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -t
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Ben Gunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great! I'm glad you like it. Yes, you definitely can still use
>>>>>>>>> "normal"
>>>>>>>>> URLs and params and all that. You don't even have to match the
>>>>>>>>> @UrlBinding to the @CleanUrl if you don't want to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Ben,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cool !
>>>>>>>>>> I've just reopened my own version, and yours seems
>>>>>>>>>> definitly better :
>>>>>>>>>> * you don't need another request wrapper (how could I miss
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ForwardResolution trick ? neat !)
>>>>>>>>>> * you don't need any action separator (use the whole
>>>>>>>>>> prefix before
>>>>>>>>>> param declaration)
>>>>>>>>>> * you have the link tag that already works (I'm still
>>>>>>>>>> doing ugly
>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>> like <a href="/my/stuff/${blah}/foo/${bar.id}">... !!)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm voting for integration of your version :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A major question though : is the "regular" way still
>>>>>>>>>> working ? I
>>>>>>>>>> mean,
>>>>>>>>>> can you use the same action with @CleanUrl and @UrlBinding
>>>>>>>>>> +ugly
>>>>>>>>>> params
>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>> I like the fact that with the clean URLs I have, I can
>>>>>>>>>> still use the
>>>>>>>>>> same beans with "ugly" urls...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See ya
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rémi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/07, Ben Gunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Remi, I know you have done some work on clean URLs. This
>>>>>>>>>>> is how I've
>>>>>>>>>>> implemented it. We can take what we like from our two
>>>>>>>>>>> implementations
>>>>>>>>>>> and incorporate it into Stripes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The ActionBean looks like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @CleanUrl("/my/action/{state}/{city}")
>>>>>>>>>>> public class MyActionBean extends BaseActionBean {
>>>>>>>>>>> @Validate(required=true) private String state;
>>>>>>>>>>> @Validate(required=true) private String city;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> // ... other stuff
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To create clean links to an ActionBean annotated with
>>>>>>>>>>> @CleanUrl, you
>>>>>>>>>>> would do this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <%@ taglib="sx"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> uri="http://stripes.sourceforge.net/stripes-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> extras.tld" %>
>>>>>>>>>>> <sx:clean-link
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> beanclass="com.mycompany.stripes.action.MyActionBean">
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atlanta, Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>> <s:param name="state">GA</s:param>
>>>>>>>>>>> <s:param name="city">Atlanta</s:param>
>>>>>>>>>>> </sx:clean-link>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This would generate a link to /my/action/GA/Atlanta. That's
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>> all there is to using it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The clean links are handled by a Stripes Interceptor. At
>>>>>>>>>>> startup, it
>>>>>>>>>>> scans all ActionBeans for @CleanUrls and caches the mapping
>>>>>>>>>>> prefix (i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>> the longest literal string before the first parameter
>>>>>>>>>>> specification).
>>>>>>>>>>> For each request it checks to see if the URI has been
>>>>>>>>>>> mapped using
>>>>>>>>>>> @CleanUrl. If it does find one that matches, then it
>>>>>>>>>>> executes a
>>>>>>>>>>> ForwardResolution to the ActionBean's URL binding and
>>>>>>>>>>> adds the
>>>>>>>>>>> parameters to the forwarded request. After that it just
>>>>>>>>>>> proceeds
>>>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>>>> normal request with binding, validation, and all the
>>>>>>>>>>> other good
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still working out a couple of little kinks, but it is
>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm caching everything I can to optimize the performance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>
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