Maybe its because I don't see this as 'revolutionary' but merely a different
way to approach a problem. A lot of what we do can be considered 'fly
fucking' as Remi put it, but a lot of that comes down to personal preference
and about us makeing our own choices on how we solve our problems.
And Remi, proposing alternatives does not really helping define/contribute
to the ideas that Will put forth about REST. REST is REST, not RPC, not
SOAP. Yes I agree a lot of what REST is defined as is already available in
many forms and Stripes does do probably about 60% of it out of the box with
out issue or concern. But the conversation was about what was needed to
implement the rest of that 40% for REST, *not* about whether it should be
used or not or what could be used in it's place.
If Will or whoever wants a to add a feature that doesn't interfere with
anything else and gives users more options whats the harm? Just because some
don't like it and wont use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be available or
done. The fact that someone wants the feature and is willing to put time and
effort into should enough for anyone on this list, even if you don't agree
with it, ecspecially since we are talking about adding something that
doesn't touch any existing functionality.
I'm going to stop trying to defend this now because I don't think there is
any need to, just as there is no need to bash it either.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Tim Fennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I have to admit that I'm kinda with Remi on this one :o I
> understand that there are folks out there who want this capability.
> But for me the light bulb has not gone off - I don't get why you
> would want to do this deep-down, very close to the protocol, REST stuff.
>
> Of course, if Will or someone else is proposing to build this as an
> extension, what I have to say doesn't mean a whole lot ;) I'd
> appreciate it though if someone could clearly articulate the value
> proposition for this proposal. Since I know Will and others on this
> list are smart folk I feel like there must be one, but I don't see
> it. So far, to me, it feels a lot like the whole "web services will
> revolutionize everything" buzz-talk of years gone by (well, hopefully
> gone-by).
>
> -t
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Nick Stuart
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ok Remi, we get it, you don't like REST wont use REST and think it
> >> sucks,
> >> but unless you have some constructive feedback here you are not
> >> contributing
> >> to the cause.
> > [...]
> >
> > You're kidding ? I've posted a full email about this ! And you'll note
> > that nobody yet answered the magic question : what's the purpose ?
> >
> > I'm trying to avoid people jumping into the REST trap too fast, as
> > there are precisely simpler ways to achieve the same goal, which is :
> >
> >> For REST/Stripes integration I definitely see it as more as way to
> >> allow
> >> Stripes apps to talk with other apps/services in a standard way.
> >
> > You can have your Stripes app *fully* invokable from any standard HTTP
> > client that understands JSON or XML, without *any* modification of
> > your existing logic. We already have such thing working since a while
> > now. Even better, for those who know a bit about middleware, the
> > approach allows to dynamically generate documentation and interface
> > descriptions, thus making Dynamic Invocation possible (which I believe
> > would work as well with Will's approach, as it uses reflect to
> > introspect the bean's events etc.).
> >
> > Really, no need for verbs or other bullshit, sorry. This is "fly
> > fucking" again :-P
> >
> > And again, don't be offended by my language, that's just how I am.
> > Think about the content, not the appearance : isn't proposing
> > alternatives "contributing to the cause" as well ?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Remi
> >
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