On Nov 17, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind wrote:

> Now I don't know about other's experiences, but in my case: when I  
> was a
> newbie I was told that for web development I needed two things:
> 1. an application
> 2. an aplpication server
> 2a. Deployment consists of copying one file

I don't know what the big deal is about not simply creating a WAR  
file and deploying that, since pretty much every container on the  
planet will deploy that with a simple copy.

If you want to add container specific task to the build, then,  
ok...sure. But the WAR is pretty much the de riguer deployment  
mechanism for web apps, and it's well documented on how to deploy it.  
Newbie or not, the user is going to have to have some understanding  
of the WAR format, and notably web.xml, in order be at all successful  
with the platform.

Also, most any "Get started with Java Web apps" articles dating later  
than 1998 will be using the WAR format as well, so there's no  
confusion for the new user who tend to "mash up" documentation and  
tutorials.

The fact that you create Eclipse and Netbeans projects makes the  
deployment details even less of an issue, as now they're a button  
click and all behind the scenes.

The "fast restart"/"dynamic reloading" aspects that many containers  
support (notably with exploded WAR files) is obviously quite  
container specific, but clearly they're desirable for the second  
effort after the user has "mastered" the WAR, but I don't know if  
that's really necessary for a Quick Start type of script.

Next, we just need a quick start script that takes a JDBC driver, and  
connection info and spits out a CRUD app for every table it finds :-).

But I applaud Freddy's effort, as I think it can helps folks and  
promote best practice at the same time.

Regards,

Will Hartung


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