I agree that it would have been better to have given Craig time to
respond and explain why he "wasn't ready for that". 

But as of yet no one has given an actual reason why we should put it
under acontrib. Ultimately the extension belongs with the other taglibs.
It's been "out there" already, has had it share of downloads, and I'm
unaware of any negative comments. As we move toward 1.1, it's important
that we get things like this into the frontline of the nightly build, so
they can undergo even more use testing. 

We had some things like this in contrib before -- but because we weren't
sure if they should *ever* go into the core. So far, the Validator has
been moved to the Commons and Cedric and I are getting ready to propose
Tiles to Taglibs. Though, Oleg's system manager should be moved over
when he's ready. Scaffolding are things that I feel are too "stylistic"
for the core. Artimus is an example app that isn't ready for prime time
yet.

If the nesting extension were something that had not already been fully
developed and testing, then, sure, we can use the contrib as a sandbox.
But this taglib has been in circulation for some time, and has had
ardent support on the Dev list. 

So, moving forward, I would like to have discussion of why we would put
something like this in contrib in the first place. 

-Ted.


Martin Cooper wrote:
> 
> I have to say that I'm disappointed to see this committed at this time.
> Craig specifically suggested that this code start out in 'contrib', but that
> request was not honoured. I happened to agree with that suggestion, but did
> not feel that I needed to say so, since I assumed that one dissenting
> comment, especially from Craig, was sufficient to indicate that the proposal
> needed more thought and/or experimentation.
> 
> Certainly, any committer can make changes at any time. However, as Ted
> mentioned, "If you believe someone might have a contrary opinon, it's
> helpful to ask first and proactively resolve any
> vetos." Personally, I feel that Craig's comments should have been addressed
> and resolved before any commit was made. I consider ignoring such comments
> to be "bad form".
> 
> I'm not going to -1 these changes, because I think the nesting taglibs are a
> useful extension to Struts. However, I'd really like to see us work as a
> team, in the future, rather than as a group of individuals.
> 
> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arron Bates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:28 AM
> Subject: Nested Extension - Committed
> 
> > Well... there it is.
> >
> > - Recreated package.html to be more consistent with the rest of them,
> > provide better developer docco etc.
> >
> > - To get things done, simply created the tld struts-nested.xml file of
> > the others, keeping the docco. There's been all this mention of slowing
> > things down in regards to the tags to see what the spec's going to end
> > up with, so there'll be time to refine this if people feel it's
> > warranted. I think something should be done, but this will give time to
> > decide the colour of the bike shed.
> >
> > One idea I had was to put all the tags from the three libraries into one
> > xml file, then run the stylesheet for each taglib, and that way the
> > stylesheet can pick its tags and if a library nees something specific
> > from any of them (or extends them), it can have it's own stylesheet
> > (this could also be handy for other developers to automate the building
> > of their Struts extensions). Naturally this could also be carried into
> > docco. Say a page is needed where we want a list of all tags, we can
> > simply make another stylesheet. I think you get what I'm driving at.
> >
> > Do the taglic.xml files' process do anthything more than just the html
> > pages and the tld's?... if that's it I can spend a little time on making
> > it happen if people think it's a good thing.
> >
> > - It built perfectly. And tested out through all my tests the same,
> > hence the commit.
> >
> > - I haven't updated any of the site's links to include it as I figure
> > that this is only done on a release basis (the api-1.0 docco etc).
> > correct?...
> >
> > - Also cleaned up the main Struts logo (a clean-up was all that was
> > done. I didn't make it rotate or anything :).
> > It's just that 100% black drop shadow was driving me batty :)
> > (the download is actually smaller too!)
> >
> >
> > Arron.
> >
> >
> >
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