I think it would be nice if the service manager was
moved to proper.  I was going to use it and move away
from the ValidatorServlet, but I needed to use the
Tiles extension of ActionServlet so I left the
Validator loading alone.  If the service manager was
built in, then this wouldn't have been necessary. 
Plus it will be easier to get people to make
contributions/packages that use it instead of
extending the ActionServlet if it is in the core
(hopefully :) ).

David

--- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree that it would have been better to have given
> Craig time to
> respond and explain why he "wasn't ready for that". 
> 
> But as of yet no one has given an actual reason why
> we should put it
> under acontrib. Ultimately the extension belongs
> with the other taglibs.
> It's been "out there" already, has had it share of
> downloads, and I'm
> unaware of any negative comments. As we move toward
> 1.1, it's important
> that we get things like this into the frontline of
> the nightly build, so
> they can undergo even more use testing. 
> 
> We had some things like this in contrib before --
> but because we weren't
> sure if they should *ever* go into the core. So far,
> the Validator has
> been moved to the Commons and Cedric and I are
> getting ready to propose
> Tiles to Taglibs. Though, Oleg's system manager
> should be moved over
> when he's ready. Scaffolding are things that I feel
> are too "stylistic"
> for the core. Artimus is an example app that isn't
> ready for prime time
> yet.
> 
> If the nesting extension were something that had not
> already been fully
> developed and testing, then, sure, we can use the
> contrib as a sandbox.
> But this taglib has been in circulation for some
> time, and has had
> ardent support on the Dev list. 
> 
> So, moving forward, I would like to have discussion
> of why we would put
> something like this in contrib in the first place. 
> 
> -Ted.
> 
> 
> Martin Cooper wrote:
> > 
> > I have to say that I'm disappointed to see this
> committed at this time.
> > Craig specifically suggested that this code start
> out in 'contrib', but that
> > request was not honoured. I happened to agree with
> that suggestion, but did
> > not feel that I needed to say so, since I assumed
> that one dissenting
> > comment, especially from Craig, was sufficient to
> indicate that the proposal
> > needed more thought and/or experimentation.
> > 
> > Certainly, any committer can make changes at any
> time. However, as Ted
> > mentioned, "If you believe someone might have a
> contrary opinon, it's
> > helpful to ask first and proactively resolve any
> > vetos." Personally, I feel that Craig's comments
> should have been addressed
> > and resolved before any commit was made. I
> consider ignoring such comments
> > to be "bad form".
> > 
> > I'm not going to -1 these changes, because I think
> the nesting taglibs are a
> > useful extension to Struts. However, I'd really
> like to see us work as a
> > team, in the future, rather than as a group of
> individuals.
> > 
> > --
> > Martin Cooper
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arron Bates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Struts Developers List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:28 AM
> > Subject: Nested Extension - Committed
> > 
> > > Well... there it is.
> > >
> > > - Recreated package.html to be more consistent
> with the rest of them,
> > > provide better developer docco etc.
> > >
> > > - To get things done, simply created the tld
> struts-nested.xml file of
> > > the others, keeping the docco. There's been all
> this mention of slowing
> > > things down in regards to the tags to see what
> the spec's going to end
> > > up with, so there'll be time to refine this if
> people feel it's
> > > warranted. I think something should be done, but
> this will give time to
> > > decide the colour of the bike shed.
> > >
> > > One idea I had was to put all the tags from the
> three libraries into one
> > > xml file, then run the stylesheet for each
> taglib, and that way the
> > > stylesheet can pick its tags and if a library
> nees something specific
> > > from any of them (or extends them), it can have
> it's own stylesheet
> > > (this could also be handy for other developers
> to automate the building
> > > of their Struts extensions). Naturally this
> could also be carried into
> > > docco. Say a page is needed where we want a list
> of all tags, we can
> > > simply make another stylesheet. I think you get
> what I'm driving at.
> > >
> > > Do the taglic.xml files' process do anthything
> more than just the html
> > > pages and the tld's?... if that's it I can spend
> a little time on making
> > > it happen if people think it's a good thing.
> > >
> > > - It built perfectly. And tested out through all
> my tests the same,
> > > hence the commit.
> > >
> > > - I haven't updated any of the site's links to
> include it as I figure
> > > that this is only done on a release basis (the
> api-1.0 docco etc).
> > > correct?...
> > >
> > > - Also cleaned up the main Struts logo (a
> clean-up was all that was
> > > done. I didn't make it rotate or anything :).
> > > It's just that 100% black drop shadow was
> driving me batty :)
> > > (the download is actually smaller too!)
> > >
> > >
> > > Arron.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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