I think David meant dependencies only. -- James Mitchell
----- Original Message ----- From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: Re: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline > > You said: > "until 2.0 - no filters, el". > > My assumption was that html-el would ship in 1.2, but you said no el > until 2.0. I asked has this been decided, becuase I missed it. > Either way, I think html-el should be in 1.2! > > .V > > > David Graham wrote: > > What do you mean by HTML-EL? We have Struts-EL in the contrib directory > > that mirrors the html taglib except with el support. > > > > David > > > > > > > >> From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:35:57 -0500 > >> > >> No HTML-EL in 1.2? > >> Is that final? > >> > >> .V > >> > >> "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> > The templates taglib is already deprecated. We won't move the base > >> servlet > >> > spec to 2.3 until 2.0 which means no filters, el, or jstl dependencies. > >> > > >> > Thanks for the suggestions. > >> > David > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >Subject: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline > >> > >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:13:45 -0500 > >> > > > >> > >If I can say .... > >> > >Please consider releasing nightly build (w/o EL) very, very soon, as a > >> RC1; > >> > >+ plus a note of the know bugs. > >> > >(I know it's not ideal, but it's an *exit* strategy). > >> > >As soon as the bugs are fixed, release. > >> > >Of course if something *new* shows up in RC1, then have RC2. > >> > > > >> > >At this point I would rather have 1.1a if something new shows up; > >> other > >> > >Jakarta projects have. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >Note: I plant to try to take basicPortal.com to Jakarta incubator, > >> very > >> > >soon, coments welcome. > >> > > > >> > >And if anyone wants to contribute to an online class (people only pay > >> > >"WebEx" charges), coming up very soon. > >> > > > >> > >vc at basebeans.com > >> > > > >> > >Then my 1.2 wishlist (Craig?) > >> > >- HTML-el > >> > >- ship with JSTL (Maven?) > >> > >- deprecate templates > >> > >- deprecate (means will be gone after 2.0) beans tag (so people can > >> use > >> > >core > >> > >tag) > >> > >- split struts jar in 2. One for tags(and nested), one for rest. > >> (So one > >> > >day > >> > >Struts could move most it's tags to jakarta.taglibs. Thus people can > >> render > >> > >anyway they want, ex: Faces tag) > >> > >- include simple version of Scafolding BaseAction (w/ default > >> disptach) > >> and > >> > >BaseFormBean (w/ beantuils to copy multirow) - This hints people in a > >> good > >> > >direction. > >> > >- better tiles and login example (Container based security) > >> > >- filters? listeners? > >> > >- please include struts-menu by S. Skyles (in strutstags.jar), it is > >> > >popular > >> > >as any tag and singe point for navigations. > >> > >- faces "extension" > >> > >- multi row example app in contrib ? > >> > >- master/detail example app in contrib ? > >> > >- Servlet 2.3 > >> > >(be glad to do half of any of above) > >> > > > >> > >Past 2.0 wish list: > >> > >- Axis controller > >> > >- Commons-SQL or Castor (or RowSet) example app w/Struts. > >> > >- DAO interface/factory (in Commons?) > >> > >- Deprecate most tags (let people use taglibs for render,or > >> Velocity, or > >> > >faces....) but support JSP 2.0 in this release (HTML-EL, Faces, Tiles, > >> > >Validator only; no logic, etc. support) > >> > >- XML "generator". Have you used JasperReports? "He" create an XML > >> file > >> > >that > >> > >"compiles" to something else. So if we create a XML file (with bands?) > >> that > >> > >"compiles" to JSP and struts.config, ,etc.? Then others can write XML > >> > >generators for any output. Of course, base extension classes behind. > >> > >- JDK1.4 required > >> > >- Servlet 2.4 > >> > >- There were a lot of 2.0 ideas.... I can't recall them. > >> > > > >> > >It is more exciting past 1.1. > >> > > > >> > >.V > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >"Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> > > > I would agree with Craig that dates are good motivators for cutting > >> > > > betas, but to cut a Release Candidate, logically, we need to be > >> > > > release-ready. The objective release-ready test is what shows up in > >> > > > Bugzilla. So, someone has to either fix or defer (in good > >> conscious) > >> any > >> > > > outstanding tickets. > >> > > > > >> > > > As for the Release Plan, we can continue to amend the B3 page. When > >> > > > we're ready for R1, make the final revisions and re-post it under a > >> new > >> > > > name. Since everything should be done by then, the freeze date > >> can be > >> > > > set for +(72 hours), to coincide with the close of the vote. > >> > > > > >> > > > At this point, I just don't have any more blood to shed for 1.1. > >> If we > >> > > > can't get this thing out the door in February, then we should > >> look for > >> > > > some more comitters who can. > >> > > > > >> > > > Either way, come March, I say it's time to get a fresh, > >> > > > test-first-design start on 2.x. A year of FUD is more than enough. > >> > > > > >> > > > -Ted. > >> > > > > >> > > > Martin Cooper wrote: > >> > > > > Ted had suggested that we resolve the outstanding items first, > >> and > >> > >then > >> > > > > put together a release plan, complete with tag date. See: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> >http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> a > >> > >che.org&msgId=612913 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > However, I don't believe that's working. In fact, as I believe > >> Ted > >> > >himself > >> > > > > said of the 1.1-b3 drive, having a date to aim for is a better > >> > >motivator. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, I don't have much time > >> to help > >> > >kill > >> > > > > outstanding bug reports for RC1, due to current "day job" > >> pressures. > >> > >It'd > >> > > > > be great to see an RC1 on or around Feb 14th, and I can do the RM > >> > >thing, > >> > > > > but I'm going to have to rely on others of you to get us ready > >> for > >> > >that. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >>Also, what is the status of the idea of separating the contrib > >> > >libraries > >> > > > >>out of the release? I'm not certain what the result was of > >> any vote > >> > >on > >> > > > >>this, but I had the impression there wasn't enough response to > >> make > >> a > >> > > > >>decision. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > IMO, Struts-EL should stay put until we get Struts 1.1 out the > >> door. > >> > >After > >> > > > > that, we can discuss how to incorporate contrib code into the > >> release > >> > >as > >> > > > > part of a broader discussion of how to factor distributions. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Martin Cooper > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Ted Husted, > >> > > > Struts in Action <http://husted.com/struts/book.html> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Tired of spam? 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