Struts is not in a popularity contest with other frameworks. Thousands of people find it useful including me. That's why I've chosen to volunteer my time to make it better.
David
From: Gary Ashley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Struts Developers List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RC1 release and Commons Logging 1.0.2 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:28:50 -0600
David Graham wrote:
>Gary, >You are not obligated to contribute to Struts in any way and have a right >to express your opinion. You said that 2 "releases" of Struts depend on >nightly builds; however, betas and release candidates are not releases.
I understand your point on releases. I intended the term "release" to imply the same meaning as this statement on the struts website:
"The Struts team is proud to announce the release of Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 1. This release includes some new functionality, as well as fixes for a number of bugs which were reported against earlier versions. The Struts Team believes that this release is ready for prime time, hence its designation as a release candidate."
I should have used the term "milestone build". Your point well taken, and I would modify my earlier request to state that both milestone builds and release builds should not rely on nightly builds if at all possible.
LOGGING 1.0.3 TODOs? I'd love to help.
>I also want to point out that I (and I believe other Struts committers) are >not too interested in the popularity of Struts. We work on it to suit our >own needs and help others build applications faster.
I am sorry to hear that opinion as I understood apache / jakarta to be something else entirely. A community built to serve the community's needs.
From the apache website: "Users are the people who use the products of the Project. People in this role aren't contributing code, but they are using the products, reporting bugs, making feature requests, and such." **This is by far the most important category of people as, without users, there is no reason for the Project. **
IMHO, a larger community seems more likely to survive in the long term thus providing a much more valuable commodity to those who dedicate so much to it. Without popularity, Jakarta and every project in it would be doomed to failure as users, contributors, and committers alike would slowly but surely migrate to other more popular solutions from the java community at large.
I didn't intend to offend any committers, and I had hoped my feedback would be worthwhile to the process. I think I might have hit a nerve with some, and I apologize. Your subtle yet humbling point of "Contribute or shut up" is well taken. I really meant no offence.
Thanks.
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