The third way....if the Struts tags dont do what you want then write your
own. Then you dont have to use scriptlets, you have a re-useable bit of
functionality, the web designers are happy and you dont have to use
Velocity.
Niall
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Colson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 31 July 2001 00:55
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: some comparision between JSP/struts and velocity
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> Scriptlets OK for "view" only?
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> Another developer in my group and I discussed this at length last week. I
> believe scriptlets in the view to be "bad" practice...or at least
> a slippery
> slope towards badness. <grin>
>
> I suggest that there are two levels of separation we are trying
> to achieve.
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> 1) Separation of Business Logic from Display logic
> 2) Separation of Developer tasks from Designer tasks
>
> I'd bet we all mostly agree and accept the first type as good MVC
> practice,
> and Struts does this quite well. The second type, though, would
> be violated
> by putting scriptlets into the View, something JSP does not prevent.
>
> While not violating MVC - the resulting View needs a Designer who knows
> Java.
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> The counter-argument usually goes like so, "Well, there's
> JavaScript on the
> page, and the Designer understands that... and the JSP Scriptlet is Java
> which kinda looks like JavaScript...ergo, the Designer should be okay with
> that too."
>
> Slippery Slope. The Designer probably copied the JS from a Script archive,
> or used a WYSIWIG tool like DreamWeaver to build the script... ;-)
>
> BTW - the scriptlet was written because the existing taglibs
> either couldn't
> do what we needed, or at least it was taking too much time to
> figure out if
> they could. If we had Velocity as an option, I could have written the
> necessary bits without the complication of Java in short order.
> I'm not sure
> the Designer would understand it, but I'm betting I'd have an easier time
> explaining the minimal Velocity directives versus the Java <grin>
>
> Cheers,
> Tim Colson
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