Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that "Miller" was classified as beer? ;-)

Newcastle Brown Ale = beer
Wadworth 6X = beer
Ushers Best = beer
Miller = !beer

I may be an adopted Cheesehead (and proud of it), but I don't have to
like the beer! I spent too many years living in Wiltshire to drink
anything other than Real Ale.

Simon

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: John M. Corro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
>
>
>Glad to see another cheesehead on the forum, though you hate 
>to hear someone
>trash talking the beer in Miller town : )
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:12 PM
>Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
>
>
>Personally, I quit drinking beer when I arrived on this side of the
>pond. If I can't get CAMRA approved beer then I'll do without! (And
>don't get me started on how bad the tea is over here!!!!!!!)
>
>Simon
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:56 PM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
>>
>>
>>
>>I am actually partial to Margharitas ;) As if the beer talk
>>was not enough,
>>here we go again ....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Olivier Dinocourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 01/21/2002
>>07:21:32 AM
>>
>>Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List"
>>      <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>To:   "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>cc:
>>
>>Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
>>
>>
>>is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?
>>
>>has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which
>>would bring
>>us
>>back to the subject of this thread...)
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Keith Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
>>Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
>>
>>
>>> is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
>>> Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter
>>Warmer yumm -
>>sorry I got caught up in
>>> it now.
>>> --- "Robert J. Sanford, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > hmmmmmm, beeeeeer.
>>> >
>>> > bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
>>> >
>>> > yummy!
>>> >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
>>> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>> > > Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
>>> > > the United
>>> > > Kingdom!
>>> > >
>>> > > D.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Arron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 
>01/18/2002
>>> > > 07:35:53 AM
>>> > >
>>> > > Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List"
>>> > >       <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > >
>>> > > To:   Struts Users Mailing List
>>> > >       <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > > cc:    (bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
>>> > > Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Go to www.JBoss.org
>>> > > Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
>>> > >
>>> > > More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue.
>>The foster's
>>you
>>> > > have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The
>>only real beer,
>>is
>>> > > the beer down here!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Arron.
>>> > >
>>> > > Mark Galbreath wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
>>> > > container and
>>> > > >the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
>>handling
>>> > > >data access.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
>>> > > I am forced
>>> > > >to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price),
>>arguablly the worst
>>app
>>> > > >server on the planet.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want 
>real beer!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Cheers!
>>> > > >Mark
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>>> > > >From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> > > >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
>>> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>> > > >Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
>>> > > question is used
>>> > > >to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers,
>>apparently
>>they
>>> > > >almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
>>> > > nothing... I'm only
>>> > > >a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of
>>the politics
>>> > > >associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I
>>am aware of
>>with
>>> > > >tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
>>> > > management and fail
>>> > > >over (being restricted to one apache instance for the
>>tomcat sticky
>>> > > >sessions).
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
>>> > > definitely
>>> > > >using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>>> > > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> > > >Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
>>> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>> > > >Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >"One of Australias' biggest sites?"  How are you going to that
>>> > > with Tomcat?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Cheers!
>>> > > >Mark
>>> > > >
>>> > > >----- Original Message -----
>>> > > >From: "Dan Washusen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > > >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
>>> > > >Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>Hey everyone,
>>> > > >>I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a
>>re-write of one
>>of
>>> > > >>Australia's biggest sites (just under a million
>>searches a month).
>>The
>>> > > >>proof of concept runs the front end (presentation
>>layer) on Linux
>>with
>>> > > >>Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it
>>goes (so far
>>so
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >good).
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Needless to say, we are very impressed with both
>>Tomcat and Struts.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Cheers,
>>> > > >>Dan
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>-----Original Message-----
>>> > > >>From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> > > >>Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
>>> > > >>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>>> > > >>Subject: Things that use Struts
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Hi everyone,
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first
>>released
>>and
>>> > > >>have been pushing it in a big way within my company...
>>Just wanted
>>to
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >throw
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>in my two cents about where we're using Struts for
>>people who are
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >wondering
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>whether Struts is right for their project, or if it
>>can tackle a
>>large
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >scale
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>system.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for
>>a division
>>of
>>the
>>> > > >>U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million 
>lines of COBOL
>>> > > code with
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >a
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.
>>After 3 months
>>of
>>> > > >>development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around
>>150,000 by
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >the
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty
>>static, but this
>>is
>>> > > >>definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm
>>has scaled
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >gracefully
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>(with a lot of help from TOPLink).
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory
>>> > > system for
>>> > > >>trading whole loans & mortgages.  This will be refactored to
>>incorporate
>>> > > >>Struts over the next several months (currently it's a 
>bit icky,
>>> > > somewhere
>>> > > >>between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>c) Our new venture with Random House,
>>http://www.codenotes.com/ was
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >written
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>completely with Struts on JRun.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough
>>to eat off
>>of,
>>and
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >it
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang
>>> > > ASP.NET features
>>> > > >>coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping
>>> > > JSP/Servlet
>>> > > >>development competitive....
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Cheers
>>> > > >>Stu Charlton
>>> > > >>Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
>>> > > >>Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your
>>humble
>>> > > >>correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion
>>Development
>>> > > >>corp.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
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