Boy, you'd think it was Friday! Cheers! Mark
-----Original Message----- From: Pete Carapetyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:25 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net Vic's points are actually becoming quite mainstream, but he gets a big shiny apple for making himself such a big target. Many people, including serious dudes, have said the same thing, perhaps in a smoother way. When discussing adding an EJB module to webAppWriter, and one senior Sun engineer who shall go un-named suggested to pursue all other pieces first. "Everybody is moving away from EJB's right now" is I think the direct quote. Even critics say that there is always a use for EJB's, if not as wide as some might have initially presumed. "Struts Newsgroup (@Basebeans.com)" wrote: > Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net > From: Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > === > Let me clarify and then do some paid work back here. > > 1.I think ejbs are not scalable relative to other Java API. > > 2. I do not want majority of market to go to MS.net. That is why I wish > that more J2EE projects are successful. (And hence I say use EJB > sometimes, not always, and consider the pros and cons.) > > Maybe PHBs like EJBs, I don't; and that is my opinion, but maybe not > politically correct. > Vic > > Couball, James wrote: > > > Depends on the project requirements. > > > > Transactions across multiple data sources being a big one. > > Large and scalable being another. > > > > ...what are the others? > > > > Although his words say something different, maybe Vic is arguing that MS > > does this better/easier/cheaper than J2EE -- not that J2EE is fundamentally > > bad. > > > > James. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pu Huang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:37 AM > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net > > > > Depends on the project size. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thompson, Darryl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:28 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net > > > > > > I STRONGLY disagree with this statement. We have been doing EJBs for 2 yrs > > at my shop. Our Order Entry system uses EJBs to capture customer orders in > > 36 cities (US) in every US timezone and we have had nothing but success. By > > the way there is NO reason to buy BEA weblogic unless you are running EJBs > > and don't trust JBOSS (which I do). Tomcat is much better at serving > > webpages the WLS or Websphere, EJBs are one of the cornerstones of J2EE, > > wake up Vic... > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Vic Cekvenich [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:42 AM > >>To: Struts Users Mailing List > >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: EJB = bad = MS.net > >> > >>Home page of Jakarta has this > >>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2 > >>on this: > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html > >> > >>I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems. > >>Avoid EJB if you want to stay in Java. > >> > >>Alternative is to just use Struts + TomCat + RowSet (or DAO if you are > >>doing something simple or small) and done. This is the sweet spot. MVC > >>is all you need. > >> > >>Alternative, do EJBs and your organization WILL switch to MS .NET on the > >>next project, leave J2EE, and you have to learn VB.net. > >> > >>EJBs are for newbies. (If you need middleware (very rare) use SOAP) > >> > >>lol, > >>Vic > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
