No, actually its an hourly rate. $60 per hour for a six month contract, which was just renewed for 3 months. Depending on how you compute an annual salary, that's close to $126k or so a year.
I happen to have had the pleasure of working with Chuck from before he published the Java2 book and throughout the EJB2.0 book. He is *NOT* one the types that I mentioned earlier. He's one the nicest guys I know. I've never heard him say a mean word the entire time I knew him. Hopefully Paige won't drive him to it :-0 (sorry, inside joke) You see, I don't think its really about Sun or Microsoft or Linux. It's about your personality. If you are a jerk, then you will just be a jerk who bashes other people and/or their chosen software. If you not a jerk, then you will just shut up. I have to give some credit to all the people on this list though. You wouldn't be here if you weren't willing and able to help others and for that I thank you! JM >Most of us here ARE trying to learn new things. Learning and >using struts is indicative of forward thinking. Remember, >any technology that doesn't have a published O'Reilly >book (thanks Chuck! :-) counts as early adopter in my >never so humble opinion. > >Simon > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com >Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 > -----Original Message----- > From: SUPRIYA MISRA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > James, > Did you say ASP and 6 digits? I bet the first digit was a zero ;-) > > > >From: "Maris Orbidans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:19:09 +0300 > > > > > >I believe that the best IDE is TogetherSoft Control Center. Beats even > >.net Visual Studio. > > > >It's sad that CC costs so much :-( > > > >Maris Orbidans > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:13 PM > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > > > > > > OK, OK. So I said the > > > > > > This is so childish, almost comical! > > > (Wish it was Friday) > > > > > > *Disclaimer - The following paragraph is not aimed at any ONE > > > person, I > > > simply ask this of every developer who thinks they can spread their > > > ill-founded beliefs on everyone else. > > > > > > At what point in Technology did YOU decide that it was time to stop > > > advancing? > > > Who the hell made YOU dictator to decide what qualifies as guru-hood? > > > > > > I've noticed a trend with such people. > > > > > > When they started out learning how to be a programmer, they > > > were eager to > > > learn things and eager to try out new stuff. Then, when they were > > > considered to be on the leading edge of technology, they felt REALLY > > > powerful and strong. That's right, they were the gurus of the moment. > > > > > > Then, all of a sudden something new came into town and they > > > had to defend > > > their guru status. > > > Instead of embracing the newest technology and helping others > > > to improve > > > their product (code), they were bitter and complained amongst > > > themselves, > > > trying to convince each other that they were still the gurus of today. > > > Meanwhile, as the jobs for that type of work began to dry up. > > > Some of them > > > still clung to their beliefs that they were right and > > > everyone else was > > > stupid. > > > > > > > > > So which one are you? North-going or South-going? > > > > > > http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~cs315/subpages/inline/Zax.html > > > > > > > > > Doesn't matter, you fit the qualifications for both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I admit that I got my start as a developer on the Microsoft > > > side of the > > > fence. Why? Well, because everything was free. I was in > > > the Army and > > > didn't make a lot of money so FREE sounded really good to me. > > > I started > > > learning html and moved right into Visual Basic 3, 4, and 5. > > > However, the > > > technology that got me into 6 figures was ASP. That's right > > > Active Server > > > Pages. > > > Then came along this phenomenon called Java. I was > > > introduced to the Struts > > > framework and quickly realized just how superior it was to > > > ASP. I have been > > > a believer ever since. > > > > > > One thing I noticed on the Non-MS side of the fence that I > > > didn't see on the > > > MS side was the bitterness and anger that some people have > > > for the other > > > side. > > > > > > I guess I just don't get it. Some people at my last job > > > actually treated me > > > like sh## because I "used to be" an ASP developer. Hmmmm, I > > > don't recall > > > such hostility about Java developers from anyone at any of my > > > previous MS > > > shop jobs. > > > In fact, one guy actually started talking to me and helping > > > me only after he > > > heard me tell a friend that I had just installed Linux on my laptop. > > > > > > WHAT THE FU$#$%#$%#$!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Where is this hatred coming from people? > > > Why don't you just get over it and get a life! Microsoft ISN'T going > > > away!!! > > > > > > If you don't like their software, then stop using it......but > > > just shut the > > > hell up!!! > > > > > > JM > > > > > > P.S. Oh crap, I used spellchecker before sending this > > > message. Oh well, > > > guess I'm not an e-mail guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:52 AM > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that it would be safe to say that the use of any form of > > > > GUI with your editor would disqualify you from the higher levels > > > > of Guruhood. If you can't type it, then it isn't real. Who needs > > > > search and replace dialogues when you can type > > > > > > > > :%s/string1/string2/g > > > > > > > > Is that not a beautiful thing? :-) > > > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com > > > > Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Joseph Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:53 PM > > > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Okay, I have to ask a question of all of you emacs/vi > > > > >developers out there > > > > >with S's on your chests: > > > > > > > > > >Are graphical versions of these tools allowed in the kindom of > > > > >Studcodia, or > > > > >monochromatic versions only? ;) > > > > > > > > > >peace, > > > > > > > > > >Joe Barefoot > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:38 PM > > > > >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > > >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Well, I'm sure your tool is bigger than mine. > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:03 PM > > > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Actually, its a 'my tool is better than your lack of > > > one' rant :-) > > > > >> > > > > >> JM > > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > From: Schneider, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:50 PM > > > > >> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > > >> > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I'm enjoying the 'my tool is better than your tool' rant. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Your talk of assembly line workers reminds me of analogies > > > > >I've read in > > > > >> > engineering books. Many have references to the industrial > > > > >> revolution and > > > > >> > how productivity and efficiency skyrocketed with the use of > > > > >> > assembly lines. > > > > >> > But I guess that's only true for uninteresting factory crap. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > e. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:24 PM > > > > >> > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > > >> > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > A more appropriate analogy would be hand-made furniture vs. > > > > >> > > the crap you buy > > > > >> > > from a factory. And carpenters are much more > > > > >interesting people than > > > > >> > > assembly-line workers. (hint-hint) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Mark > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:15 PM > > > > >> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > >> > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > No no, I have to agree with Mark. Real programmers use text > > > > >> > > editors just > > > > >> > > like "Real" construction workers use pitch forks and shovels > > > > >> > > and not those > > > > >> > > fancy bull dozers and front-end loaders. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > What happened to the good-ole days where it took a year and > > > > >> > > half to build a > > > > >> > > house!!! > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > JM > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > From: Chappell, Simon P > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:35 PM > > > > >> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > I have to go there .... even if it isn't Friday! :-) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > REAL programmers use vi. EMACS is an operating > > > system trying to > > > > >> > > > pass itself off as a text editor (Mmmmm ... LISP as your > > > > >> > > > scripting language!). > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > As an aside, even a relevent aside, I have been > > > tinkering with > > > > >> > > > jEdit (http://www.jedit.org) and have found it to be a > > > > >very good > > > > >> > > > general text editor. It has a growing collection of > > > > >plugins that > > > > >> > > > utilise such goodies as syntax highlighting, ant and > > > > >refactoring > > > > >> > > > support. Check it out! > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Simon > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >For additional commands, e-mail: > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
