Somehow I think that you'll/we'll manage it! Favourite Monty Python sketches?
Simon >-----Original Message----- >From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:26 PM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > >Boy, it's going to be real hard to think up a thread like this one for >tomorrow! > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:24 PM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > >I agree with 95% of what you say, James, but just for the >record, many of us >have a profound distaste for Microsoft not because of their >software, but >because of their business practices. They have a solid history of >"borrowing" from existing software and technology to build their own >products (esp. open source), and then using their leverage to >make sure that >their product is dominant in the marketplace. How many >company's web sites >were built with ASP only because the company had some sort of >pre-existing >"preferred partner" arrangement with Microsoft? More than you >or I will >ever know, that's for sure. > >I personally happen to really like some of Microsoft's office >software, but >I would never work to develop a Microsoft product, for the >same reasons that >I would never work for PG&E--they simply do not play nice with >others. Note >that this doesn't mean I won't *use* their products or >technology if I find >them to be superior, I just won't help *build* something that >may be turned >into a marketing leviathon. > > >peace, > >Joe Barefoot > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:13 AM >> To: Struts Users Mailing List >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> >> >> OK, OK. So I said the >> >> This is so childish, almost comical! >> (Wish it was Friday) >> >> *Disclaimer - The following paragraph is not aimed at any >ONE person, I >> simply ask this of every developer who thinks they can spread their >> ill-founded beliefs on everyone else. >> >> At what point in Technology did YOU decide that it was time to stop >> advancing? >> Who the hell made YOU dictator to decide what qualifies as guru-hood? >> >> I've noticed a trend with such people. >> >> When they started out learning how to be a programmer, they >were eager to >> learn things and eager to try out new stuff. Then, when they were >> considered to be on the leading edge of technology, they felt REALLY >> powerful and strong. That's right, they were the gurus of >the moment. >> >> Then, all of a sudden something new came into town and they >had to defend >> their guru status. >> Instead of embracing the newest technology and helping >others to improve >> their product (code), they were bitter and complained >amongst themselves, >> trying to convince each other that they were still the gurus >of today. >> Meanwhile, as the jobs for that type of work began to dry up. >> Some of them >> still clung to their beliefs that they were right and >everyone else was >> stupid. >> >> >> So which one are you? North-going or South-going? >> >> http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~cs315/subpages/inline/Zax.html >> >> >> Doesn't matter, you fit the qualifications for both. >> >> >> >> >> >> I admit that I got my start as a developer on the Microsoft >side of the >> fence. Why? Well, because everything was free. I was in >the Army and >> didn't make a lot of money so FREE sounded really good to >me. I started >> learning html and moved right into Visual Basic 3, 4, and 5. > However, the >> technology that got me into 6 figures was ASP. That's right >Active Server >> Pages. >> Then came along this phenomenon called Java. I was introduced to >> the Struts >> framework and quickly realized just how superior it was to ASP. >> I have been >> a believer ever since. >> >> One thing I noticed on the Non-MS side of the fence that I didn't >> see on the >> MS side was the bitterness and anger that some people have >for the other >> side. >> >> I guess I just don't get it. Some people at my last job actually >> treated me >> like sh## because I "used to be" an ASP developer. Hmmmm, I >don't recall >> such hostility about Java developers from anyone at any of >my previous MS >> shop jobs. >> In fact, one guy actually started talking to me and helping me >> only after he >> heard me tell a friend that I had just installed Linux on my laptop. >> >> WHAT THE FU$#$%#$%#$!!!!!!!! >> >> Where is this hatred coming from people? >> Why don't you just get over it and get a life! Microsoft ISN'T going >> away!!! >> >> If you don't like their software, then stop using it......but >> just shut the >> hell up!!! >> >> JM >> >> P.S. Oh crap, I used spellchecker before sending this >message. Oh well, >> guess I'm not an e-mail guru. >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:52 AM >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List >> > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> > >> > I think that it would be safe to say that the use of any form of >> > GUI with your editor would disqualify you from the higher levels >> > of Guruhood. If you can't type it, then it isn't real. Who needs >> > search and replace dialogues when you can type >> > >> > :%s/string1/string2/g >> > >> > Is that not a beautiful thing? :-) >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com >> > Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 >> > >> > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > >From: Joseph Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:53 PM >> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List >> > >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > > >> > > >> > >Okay, I have to ask a question of all of you emacs/vi >> > >developers out there >> > >with S's on your chests: >> > > >> > >Are graphical versions of these tools allowed in the kindom of >> > >Studcodia, or >> > >monochromatic versions only? ;) >> > > >> > >peace, >> > > >> > >Joe Barefoot >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:38 PM >> > >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> > >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Well, I'm sure your tool is bigger than mine. >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:03 PM >> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List >> > >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Actually, its a 'my tool is better than your lack of >one' rant :-) >> > >> >> > >> JM >> > >> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > From: Schneider, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:50 PM >> > >> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> > >> > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm enjoying the 'my tool is better than your tool' rant. >> > >> > >> > >> > Your talk of assembly line workers reminds me of analogies >> > >I've read in >> > >> > engineering books. Many have references to the industrial >> > >> revolution and >> > >> > how productivity and efficiency skyrocketed with the use of >> > >> > assembly lines. >> > >> > But I guess that's only true for uninteresting factory crap. >> > >> > >> > >> > e. >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:24 PM >> > >> > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> > >> > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > A more appropriate analogy would be hand-made furniture vs. >> > >> > > the crap you buy >> > >> > > from a factory. And carpenters are much more >> > >interesting people than >> > >> > > assembly-line workers. (hint-hint) >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Mark >> > >> > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:15 PM >> > >> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List >> > >> > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > No no, I have to agree with Mark. Real programmers use text >> > >> > > editors just >> > >> > > like "Real" construction workers use pitch forks and shovels >> > >> > > and not those >> > >> > > fancy bull dozers and front-end loaders. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > What happened to the good-ole days where it took a year and >> > >> > > half to build a >> > >> > > house!!! >> > >> > > >> > >> > > JM >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > From: Chappell, Simon P >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:35 PM >> > >> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > I have to go there .... even if it isn't Friday! :-) >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > REAL programmers use vi. EMACS is an operating >system trying to >> > >> > > > pass itself off as a text editor (Mmmmm ... LISP as your >> > >> > > > scripting language!). >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > As an aside, even a relevent aside, I have been >tinkering with >> > >> > > > jEdit (http://www.jedit.org) and have found it to be a >> > >very good >> > >> > > > general text editor. It has a growing collection of >> > >plugins that >> > >> > > > utilise such goodies as syntax highlighting, ant and >> > >refactoring >> > >> > > > support. Check it out! >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Simon >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > > > Simon P. 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