> I'd love to see some more Objective-C features in Java, like > categories (a way to add functionality to existing classes without > subclassing).
Word! The design advantages of categories in ObjC are huge. I really hope something similar makes it into Java someday. It makes large systems a lot easier to cope with. e. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Lehrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:41 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects > > > I've been very please with OS X as a Java development envioronment. > > I just completed my first Struts project built completely on > Mac OS X. > I used Struts, Castor JDO, Tomcat, Apache HTTPD, Xerces, > Xalan, log4j, > ant for cross-platform building. Project Builder was my IDE > of choice > - ant integration was trivial. I was the project lead and I did 100% > of my development and testing on Mac OS X. We had a couple > developers > using JBuilder on Win2K. Our deployment target was Solaris > and HP-UX. > We used Oracle 9i running on Linux for the database. This is now in > available in "developer preview" mode on OS X though I > haven't tried it > out yet. I've been doing some prototyping with JBoss and > OpenLDAP also > which seem to be working well so far. > > Regarding WebObjects - it's very nice. I've done some > prototyping with > it. Unfortunately, it still costs money. It's definitely worth > looking in the right environment. Obviously Apple's > reputation in the > enterprise space isn't great, so you have to overcome > perception. It's > a shame because the enterprise is where NeXT was really > powerful. It's > more expensive than the opensource stuff (Tomcat, JBoss, PHP, etc.), > but the level of "spit and polish", integration and elegance is very > high - much better than many more expensive app servers. EOF > is second > to none WRT O/R tools. I miss the Objective-C WebObjects but you've > gotta have the Java name for serverside development if you're not > Microsoft. The WYSIWYG tools are very productive and efficient and > don't get in your way like some other GUI-based web development > packages I've used. There is a learning curve, but if you understand > OO, MVC and request/response, I don't think it's too much. I > wouldn't > expect more than a couple days to get comfortable with it. > Getting the > WebObjects basics down didn't take me as much time as learning the > details of Struts, JBoss and Castor JDO. > > As for why I like OS X over Linux - it just works - no muss, > no fuss. > Don't get me wrong, I like Linux. I have two Linux machines in my > basement that I use for my Internet server and gateways and > development > services - I've got them all configured, they work great and I rarely > have to touch them. This is good because any time I have to touch > them, it take hours to figure out what I need to do and get them > stabilized again. I run them headless and manage them via XWindows > from OS X. I use OS X for my primary OS at home and at work now > because it just works and has a nice, first-class UI and great > application support - serverside and desktop. It comes with Apache > HTTPD, Python, Perl, PHP, Java 1.3.1, C, C++, Objective C, > AppleScript, > and much more. And the developer tools are very nice and extensible > (albeit the auto-completion leaves a little to be desired) and FREE! > > The big reason I LOVE OS X is Objective-C and Cocoa. Dynamic binding > rocks and the Cocoa frameworks allow you to be productive > very quickly. > I'd love to see some more Objective-C features in Java, like > categories (a way to add functionality to existing classes without > subclassing). > > I've written a tool that let's developers write client apps in > Objective-C using Cocoa and access an EJB middletier. This allows > Java-based serverside development and middletier reuse among web and > client applications, while leveraging the sheer beauty of Objective-C > and Cocoa for client application development. > > You can check out Apple's OS X (http://www.apple.com/macosx/) and > Darwin (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/) sites for more details. > BTW, Darwin is the open source, underlying UNIX > implementation based on > the Mach kernel and BSD 4.4 UNIX. I believe there is even a > select set > of Intel hardware that will run Darwin. > > Cheers! > Matthew > > On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 11:24 AM, Eddie Bush wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> I would agree, I am a recent OS X convert (Windows is > absolute crap, > >> w2k > >> is digestable.. > >> Linux was my OS of choice, until OS X) > >> Now we just need JDK 1.4 !!!!! > >> I am wondering why the Java Apple team, is so slow at getting a > >> release > >> out. > >> > > Wow. I can't claim any great experience with Apple in the > past (other > > than games). I know they're quite heavily used in > publishing/graphic > > design, and probably other things I'm unaware of ... but what makes > > you say OS X is so much better than Linux? I'm very curious! > > > >> Oh yeah.. and Tomcat, JBoss, and STRUTS runs wonderfully on OS X > >> > >> mark > >> > > Regards, > > > > Eddie > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:struts-user-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For > additional commands, > e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ********************************************************************** This message, including any attachments, contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. 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