I agree with every thing Mike says. I am a contractor at a financial institution and to get Struts in here we had to go against the homegrown version and a team of IBMers pushing their JADE architecture. In the end Struts won. We also have two systems in production with another one being rewritten using Struts as we speak.
Jim >From: "Michael Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Question for using struts as our standard MVC framework >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:21:29 -0400 > >Here's an argument, and have him email me if he has any questions... >I was brought on to my current company as a J2EE Architect. >It was basically one developer. He had a home brewed servlet controller >layer. I recommended struts. He pushed back (that's natural, it's his >baby). >But he is rational and I explained a few points to him; >- The features of struts and how it did everything he did >- It is much more feature rich. More here being the html libraries so you >dont have to worry about session/request maintenance. That's big in my >opinion. >- It has a development community behind it meaning it will be as up to date >as our needs as J2EE developer's see we need. >- It is well tested. Much more so, I'm sure, than his. So not only is it >more powerful and feature rich, all the functionality and features are more >stable than what he has. >- It is maintained by someone else leaving us the job of writing business >code and not servlet frameworks (which are being written again and again >all >over the world! ARRRGH! STOP IT!). This is a big one of the management >types >when they realize it can save lots of design/development time because it's >one less piece to worry about. >- You have the source code so, at the very least, you can tweak it to fit >any needs that may not be covered by it that may be in yours. (I HIGHLY >doubt this would be the case). >- I have 2 systems in production with it as we speak. >- I'm here to help if you have any questions (You may have to just say this >and then get your learn on, or post a question here...AFTER YOU'VE DONE >YOUR >RESEARCH!) > >The fact that now he doesn't have to maintain his framework was a big >selling point in addition to the others. > >If these don't work then tell him to go write a J2EE container as well. >There are reasons people pay for software (and people get together and >write >open source). There is a common need > >This worked here and we're using struts instead of the homebrewed job. >Mike > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:33 PM >Subject: RE: Question for using struts as our standard MVC framework > > > > Ignorant Luddites! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Khan, Manuchehar A (ACF) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:32 PM > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: Question for using struts as our standard MVC framework > > > > > > Thanks for input...You are right...Politics play more role here than > > technology and innovation. > > I gave 2 hr presentation on pros and cons of framework developed by one > > person as compare to people involved behind struts. Opposition was >struts > > is not tested or proven, what if jakarta abandon struts project and we >will > > become dependent on 3rd party tool. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:57 AM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: RE: Question for using struts as our standard MVC framework > > > > > > Sounds like a political argument more than anything else. > > > > I could list 100 reasons to choose Struts, but it wouldn't change the >mind > > of someone who 'wants' to use what they have built....especially if they > > have a long standing history as defending champion in the Vi(m) vs. > > (X)Emacs debate. > > > > I wish you luck in your endeavor. > > > > > > > > James Mitchell > > Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist > > Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" > > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta > > > > P.S. Tell them to stop being so ignorant and pickup FUC#ING book. > > Hmmm....like the STRUTS book by Chuck Cavaness ;) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Khan, Manuchehar A (ACF) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:37 AM > > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > Subject: Question for using struts as our standard MVC framework > > > > > > > > > Hello Folks. I work for Govt and we have major policy meeting for >using > > > struts as our stantard framework. > > > One developer in our team took the Sun pet store example and created a > > > framework that is basically a router/controller with xml > > > configuration files > > > to define handlers and views. And that controller works fine.. > > > He claims that strut has not followed sun standards and guidelines and > > > struts is not reliable. It can only support maximum 100 users and > > > next year > > > struts team is coming up with new version based in JSTL and will trash >all > > > releases. > > > I need some inputs from people here to make solid arguments for > > > changing to > > > struts. > > > Thanks... > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:34 AM > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List; Dariusz Wojtas > > > Subject: RE: JDO example - rozpakowywac Commanderem > > > > > > > > > Was there a question in there I missed? > > > > > > James Mitchell > > > Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist > > > Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" > > > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dariusz Wojtas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:19 AM > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > Subject: JDO example - rozpakowywac Commanderem > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 11, 2002, 6:55:25 AM, you wrote: > > > > JM> Sorry for the delay. I've decided to post this on our website. > > > > > > > > JM> Please feel free to download and try it out. > > > > > > > > JM> > > > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta/downloads/DBMessageResources > > > > > > > > JM> If for some reason the site goes down, just send me an email > > > > and I'll get it > > > > JM> to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JM> James Mitchell > > > > JM> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist > > > > JM> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" > > > > JM> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:06 PM > > > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > >> Subject: [Announce] [New Extension] > > > > ApplicationResources.properties from > > > > >> Database > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> For anyone interested, I have finished implementing > > > DBMessageResources > > > > >> which allows you to keep the key-value pairs (from your > > > > >> ApplicationResources.properties) in a single database table. > > > > >> > > > > >> You can load your property files into a table (generic schema > > > > is provided) > > > > >> and with this extension, by only modifying <message-resources> in >the > > > > >> struts-config.xml your application will run WITHOUT ANY code > > > > changes. (See > > > > >> the readme.txt file included) > > > > >> > > > > >> This extension uses OJB (http://jakarta.apache.org/ojb) O/R > > > mapping for > > > > >> database configuration and connection pool management. > > > > >> > > > > >> I have included a modified version of the (1.1b2) struts-example >to > > > > >> demonstrate. > > > > >> > > > > >> I have tested this with Struts 1.1b2, and I'm sure it will > > > > work with 1.1b1 > > > > >> (If anyone requires a 1.0.x compatible, I can look at that also) > > > > >> > > > > >> I will get this project available as soon as I work through some > > > > >> cvs issues > > > > >> on sf.net: > > > > >> > > > > >> If anyone is REALLY itching to get their hands on it sooner, > > > send me a > > > > >> email. > > > > >> > > > > >> For those who were waiting, thanks for your patience. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> James Mitchell > > > > >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist > > > > >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" > > > > >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > JM> -- > > > > JM> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > JM> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Dariusz Wojtas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jim Young Northern Objects Inc. 905 781-7019 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
