Heh-heh.  I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and
learned BASIC.  My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the
college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard).  I actually was using
REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to
program a DOS/Windows system.  And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble
in Scheme for awhile.

I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however.  The engineers gave
the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app.

Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on
struts-users.


Mark
Cogito ergo spud
(I think, therefore I yam.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM

Mark,

Re: Struts List et al

Apologies for the off list contact. I read the "So you want to be a real
programmer" note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM
370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80...
a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS).

I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP
actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real
Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the
occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol.

I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have,
however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I
presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white
email. Such is life.

Adds:
    Real programmers don't use Prolog
    Real programmers do use SmallTalk
    Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the
correlation between
        Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window).

Have a great weekend!

Brian Hickey

Codito ergo sum

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