He interrupted the session acting like a waiter serving Chuck a beer....it was hilarious!!!
-- James Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > Well, what did he do? > > > > At 03:26 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Oh yeah, I saw you a few months back at the AJUG meeting that Chuck > >presented. I wanted to say hey, but you disappeared before I could catch > >you. I could hardly believe what Mark Fleury did halfway through the > >Beer4All presentation....LOL. > > > >Yes, I'm running Win2k Advanced Server at home, but have not looked into > >Terminal Services, maybe I'll do that tonight. > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael C. Lee Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:59 PM > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal > > > services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that > >you > > > can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine > > > configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up > > > that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few > > > external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration > > > section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and > >it > > > works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have > >to > > > (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel > > > work. Home and business. > > > > > > BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by > > > you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime? > >If > > > you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the > > > phone. > > > Mike > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > development > > > > > > > > > > oh.....well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server > > > (port > > > > 21) and controlling that one from here.... > > > > > > > > I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at > > > home, > > > > I cannot do that anymore.....any more suggestions? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > > > > > > > > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to > >execute > > > > > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you > > > cannot > > > > > do with product development that way. > > > > > > > > > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through > > > > port > > > > > 80 and servlets. > > > > > > > > > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two > > > servlets > > > > > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > > > > > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught > >in > > > > > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > > > > > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason > > > > Hunter > > > > > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. > > > > > > > > > > Are we on the same wave length? > > > > > > > > > > Micael > > > > > > > > > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Do tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you > >can > > > > do > > > > > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge > > > like > > > > > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing > > > > > >proprietary > > > > > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with > > > > > >corporate > > > > > > > > > resources. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that > >gives > > > > you > > > > > >port > > > > > > > >80 and 21 only!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait > > > till > > > > I > > > > > >get > > > > > > > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server > >for > > > > > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to > > > spare... > > > > and > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your > > > > > >laptop.... > > > > > > > >Then freedom is just around the corner. > > > > > > > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly > > > controlled > > > > > > > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper > > > > > >management > > > > > > > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and > >lower > > > > > >prices > > > > > > > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So > >I > > > > > > > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that > > > are > > > > > >routed > > > > > > > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with > > > Java > > > > and > > > > > > > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start > > > > development > > > > > >or > > > > > > > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor > > > supplied > > > > > > > >products later. > > > > > > > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a > >laptop > > > > > >around. In > > > > > > > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I > > > did > > > > the > > > > > > > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared > >files > > > > at > > > > > >work > > > > > > > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an > > > > Oracle > > > > > > > >schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit > >testing) > > > > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge > > > like > > > > > > > >environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing > > > > proprietary > > > > > > > >development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with > > > > corporate > > > > > > > >resources. :) > > > > > > > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into > >it > > > > what > > > > > >you > > > > > > > >will, but the topic was software innovation in > > > > > > > > > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this > > > offends > > > > you, > > > > > > > > > perhaps you take yourself too seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > >server > > > > for > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for > >posts > > > > > >designated > > > > > > > > > [OT]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath" > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > > > > > > > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > >server > > > > for > > > > > > > > > >development > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst > > > for > > > > > > > > > >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you > > > > lose > > > > > > > > > >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the > > > > centuries > > > > > > > > > >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being > >the > > > > first > > > > > > > > > >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity > >and > > > > > >profits > > > > > > > > > >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, > > > > > >interchangeable > > > > > > > > > >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and > > > software. > > > > > >What > > > > > > > > > >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by > > > > > > > > > >short-sighted people interested more often than not with > >their > > > > > > > > > >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a > > > > > > > > > >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was > > > > responsible > > > > > >for > > > > > > > > > >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not > > > > because > > > > > >he > > > > > > > > > >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom > >to > > > > > > > > > >innovate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM > > > > > > > > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one > >server > > > > for > > > > > > > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation > >at > > > > home, > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > > >will > > > > > > > > > >not be required at the office." No, that is your > > > > company...Landsend > > > > > >by > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more > > > > > >innovations > > > > > > > >per > > > > > > > > > >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. > > > > > >Landsend, > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > >most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a > > > motivating > > > > > >factor > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > >innovate. Michael Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "Chappell, Simon P" > > > > > > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > >server > > > > for > > > > > > > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for > > > > > > > > > >geographical/religious > > > > > > > > > >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a > > > programmer > > > > in > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a > >while > > > > the > > > > > >stuff > > > > > > > > > >flowing downhill is crazier than usual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > > > server > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an > > > > > > > > > > >environment! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > >From: Chappell, Simon P > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down > > > to > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > >from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still > >has > > > > frost > > > > > > > > > > >on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also > >decides > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > >once you're using WAS, > > > > > > > > > > >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > >going to lock > > > > > > > > > > >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on > > > > there to > > > > > >use > > > > > > > > > > >instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Welcome to Corporate America. 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